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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:12 pm
by koopashell
Yeah this sounds caught as fuck.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
This is why Flavor refuses to post any quote from Roden that he finds wolfy. Because he can't find a wolfy post from Roden, only vague misrepresentations.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:12 pm
by Flavor Leaf
ignorant af koopa.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:13 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 2068, koopashell wrote:Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.
Go read
224 and tell me what it says?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:13 pm
by koopashell
dunno it just radiates pure energy of someone who is trying to genuinely apologize for a mistake and doesn't feel performative.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:13 pm
by koopashell
In post 2098, koopashell wrote: In post 208, Flavor Leaf wrote:Roden and Italian are the two that I've sniffed some scum energy on thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.
In post 612, Flavor Leaf wrote: In post 598, Roden wrote: In post 527, Flavor Leaf wrote:Man, this human's obsessed with me.
@Roden - wasn't that serious
So much FL talk when I was away, that's what I like to see. Even when I'm not here, the spotlight loves me
Nah you don't get to backpedal after you made several solves that make me a PoE choice without explaining anything.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
This is probably coming from town who hasn't learned how to look past getting POE scum read as a personal thing.
In post 636, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Koopa - I don't think I'm correct with all those reads I've had, I'm even starting to flip flop on Roden a bit more. Mainly because I want to see NK15 push harder if he's scum, but I don't think I'm wrong on all of them either.
In post 651, Flavor Leaf wrote:it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.
Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.
I get my reads through direct interaction.
Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.
Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.
Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.
This is an interesting set of posts I've found about Roden throughout the game.
Notably I find that things don't line up here: FL switched up the reasoning for why he FOS'd Roden.
Vibes -> Gamestate
The former implies specific posts, the latter implies PoE.
Requoting this botched progression for everyone to see.
Flavor's reaction here is to ad hom me, as he is caught red handed with a slip.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:15 pm
by koopashell
In post 2102, ItalianoVD wrote: In post 2068, koopashell wrote:Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.
Go read
224 and tell me what it says?
It says I thought you were a wolf trying to distance? tf are you trying to say.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:15 pm
by koopashell
Italiano, what do you think of the progression slip I caught?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:16 pm
by JacksonVirgo
I don't see the supposed slip.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:17 pm
by koopashell
Look at the reasoning FL gives for the read in the first quote -> then look at the last quote.
And look at how FL has treated Roden this game wrt how they have not substantiated their Roden read with anything but vague statements about his play. Couldn't even provide a single quote.
What aren't you understanding?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:18 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 2108, koopashell wrote:
Look at the reasoning FL gives for the read in the first quote -> then look at the last quote.
And look at how FL has treated Roden this game wrt how they have not substantiated their Roden read with anything but vague statements about his play. Couldn't even provide a single quote.
What aren't you understanding?
Re-read it and still don't see a slip. Are you assuming that 400 posts later the read will be the same and because it's not it's a slip?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:18 pm
by koopashell
And also the "I think you're town THEREFORE U WOLF!"
is such bullshit.
The point is - FL has not actually parsed Roden's posts and has not had a genuine read there. They know Roden is town, and are just trying to fabricate reasons.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:20 pm
by koopashell
In post 2109, JacksonVirgo wrote: In post 2108, koopashell wrote:
Look at the reasoning FL gives for the read in the first quote -> then look at the last quote.
And look at how FL has treated Roden this game wrt how they have not substantiated their Roden read with anything but vague statements about his play. Couldn't even provide a single quote.
What aren't you understanding?
Re-read it and still don't see a slip. Are you assuming that 400 posts later the read will be the same and because it's not it's a slip?
No? The point is that FL lied about the initial reasoning behind the read. Can you actually READ what he said? He said at the start, when he was first starting to push Roden, that he felt they were wolfy vibes/aura. This implies that they read posts that indicated this. Later on -> when he flips back to his Roden wolfread, he says "Yeah it was just gamestate"
Do you see it now?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:20 pm
by koopashell
Townies don't forget why they townread/scumread someone like that.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:21 pm
by koopashell
This is why Flavor Leaf cannot quote specific posts from Roden - because he has made this push too lazily and cannot substantiate it.
Please tell me you see what my point is now.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:22 pm
by koopashell
In post 208, Flavor Leaf wrote:Roden
and Italian are the two that
I've sniffed some scum energy on
thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.
In post 651, Flavor Leaf wrote:it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.
Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.
I get my reads through direct interaction.
Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.
Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.
Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.
these 2 posts
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:23 pm
by koopashell
And FL cannot backtrack the first one - because the latter part of the sentence references more detail about Italiano that implies that the energy was from specific posts.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:25 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 2105, koopashell wrote: In post 2102, ItalianoVD wrote: In post 2068, koopashell wrote:Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.
Go read
224 and tell me what it says?
It says I thought you were a wolf trying to distance? tf are you trying to say.
Now go read
368. Now I want you to tell me what Kitty is talking about and who he is talking to.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:26 pm
by koopashell
In post 2116, ItalianoVD wrote: In post 2105, koopashell wrote: In post 2102, ItalianoVD wrote: In post 2068, koopashell wrote:Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.
Go read
224 and tell me what it says?
It says I thought you were a wolf trying to distance? tf are you trying to say.
Now go read
368. Now I want you to tell me what Kitty is talking about and who he is talking to.
Ah good point lmao.
Regardless - go read the post right before yours. We have a caught wolf.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:32 pm
by ItalianoVD
So are you saying that Leaf fake progresses from scumreading Roden to townreading Roden to scumreading him again?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:36 pm
by koopashell
In post 2118, ItalianoVD wrote:
So are you saying that Leaf fake progresses from scumreading Roden to townreading Roden to scumreading him again?
No. The point is that FL did not have a real reason to FOS Roden but is trying to say they did - and blundered by offering different reasoning 2 separate times.
That is the point.
Also if you look in Flavor's ISO and Ctrl-F Roden, he does not ever quote a single Roden post except for the occasional reply. Never uses a single thing Roden has said directly to case them.
My point is -> Flavor is a wolf trying to miseliminate Roden here and I caught a major discrepancy in their reasoning.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:38 pm
by Roden
In post 2085, Flavor Leaf wrote: In post 2078, Roden wrote: In post 2062, Flavor Leaf wrote:Roden, I just don't care.
Every single time you come up and discredit is after I had gone and spent hours going back and forth with others.
I'm just so over it, and not even pushing you at this point anymore.
In post 2064, Flavor Leaf wrote:I'm like only half reading your posts because my mental capacity for doing another 1v1 is not there. im not in go back and find things mode.
This is a very convenient mind set to have when asked to follow through with the basics of a scum case.
I didn't ask you to 1v1 a bunch of other players. If you're exhausted then stop spreading yourself thin and acting like you're confident certain players will flip red.
i don't mind 1v1'ing players. just do it on my own time.
And I feel like I've repeated my self so many times at this point.
Fucking surface level town you are if you're town. holy shit.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS FUCKING DAY 1 AND HAVE FUCKING CONFIDENCE WITH ANY FUCKING PLAYER
FUCKING DAY 1
I have actively fucking stated im likely to be wrong with certain solves.
Actively stated i think there is scum in my town reads.
Ignorant af or purposeful getting me riled up scum.
No inbetween.
Why are you so mad? You've consistently said all game that you scum read me and that you're most confident about my slot flipping red over anyone else in the game. Even today, you've been saying this.
Like...you started this game saying that you're intentionally going to troll people to upset them and that you won't answer any questions you don't feel like answering. I don't know how you can possibly try to turn this around on me after saying shit like that.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:42 pm
by koopashell
He won't reply because he is busy thinking of how to respond to being caught the way he was.
It seems willagers are already on the case though being doubtful of an obvious slip.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:47 pm
by ItalianoVD
Koopa, what is the gamestate?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:47 pm
by Roden
In post 2114, koopashell wrote: In post 208, Flavor Leaf wrote:Roden
and Italian are the two that
I've sniffed some scum energy on
thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.
In post 651, Flavor Leaf wrote:it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.
Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.
I get my reads through direct interaction.
Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.
Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.
Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.
these 2 posts
Tbh I hadn't caught this. I remembered I was part of the early PoE but thought that was just related to the scum bubble read. But side by side like this, the difference in what kind of reads they were is more obvious.
I think it's more of a glaring inconsistency than a straight up slip though. Regardless, this feels important.
UNVOTE: for now.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:49 pm
by Malakittens
Veggies are ducking disgusting
ESP cabbage
YUCKKK