Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:06 am
vote count 2.11
with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).
Hey Titus, can you write a post saying why you believe Roden is scum? Or point me to one?In post 2094, Titus wrote:Wifom. Fake posts are posted.In post 2092, Lukewarm wrote:Given the context of his earlier posts, in what world does scum!Roden think that this answer is going to do anything but hurt him? Like this is an actively self sabotaging answer when scum can give any answer they want
1) This feels like you are talking to someone you think is town.In post 2099, Titus wrote:You don't think it's likely at all, because that fits your worldview.In post 2097, Lukewarm wrote:Just shouting wifom is a cop out. Scum can do literally anything, the point is which is more likely.In post 2094, Titus wrote:Wifom. Fake posts are posted.In post 2092, Lukewarm wrote:Given the context of his earlier posts, in what world does scum!Roden think that this answer is going to do anything but hurt him? Like this is an actively self sabotaging answer when scum can give any answer they want
I just don't think it is very likely at all, that given the situation that he was in, he would take that avenue as scum. And therefore, it being the truth is the more likely reality we live in.
In post 2102, Lukewarm wrote:I buy his claim,
Each Night, you maytarget a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).
It is very clear that Datisi copy and pasted the role from the wiki, and then made slight modifications. He purposefully made it extra clear that it included communication methods beyond PTs. That seems to Roden's role.during the night,target a player. assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate withat least oneanother living player,via private topics or otherwise.you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all.
Wow, nice catch. But the otherwise is really weird.In post 2103, Lukewarm wrote:In post 2102, Lukewarm wrote:I buy his claim,
For anyone who is interested, I think that a role like the one Roden has claimed is almost guaranteed to be in this game.
Compare Peta's role to the standard Wiki description
Each Night, you maytarget a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).It is very clear that Datisi copy and pasted the role from the wiki, and then made slight modifications. He purposefully made it extra clear that it included communication methods beyond PTs. That seems to Roden's role.during the night,target a player. assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate withat least oneanother living player,via private topics or otherwise.you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all.
I also feel like it is good design to make peta's traffic analyst have a false guilty, so that it is not just a cop.
This is cool to think about. You're right that unless JJH and Mastina finally claim Masons, there should be (at least) 1 false guilty to stop a TA taking down the entire mafia team, because all mafia can privately communicate.In post 2103, Lukewarm wrote:In post 2102, Lukewarm wrote:I buy his claim,
For anyone who is interested, I think that a role like the one Roden has claimed is almost guaranteed to be in this game.
Compare Peta's role to the standard Wiki description
Each Night, you maytarget a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).It is very clear that Datisi copy and pasted the role from the wiki, and then made slight modifications. He purposefully made it extra clear that it included communication methods beyond PTs. That seems to Roden's role.during the night,target a player. assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate withat least oneanother living player,via private topics or otherwise.you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all.
I also feel like it is good design to make peta's traffic analyst have a false guilty, so that it is not just a cop.
You think Mala is really obvious as mafia then. Can you back this up? I haven't played with scum!Mala before, I'll go and look now.In post 2087, Klick wrote:Mala occasionally pops in with posts that I entirely believe are genuine scumhunting;In post 2081, furtiveglance wrote:Why is Mala in the townlock? Answer without using the word vibesfrom any player they might not look that special but I think Mala!scum wouldn't have reads that look as real as Mala's reads do. In contrast, I think a lot of her posts have explicitly not been made with the goal of getting the game at large to townread her (which is what her goal would be if she were scum).
181 - I believe the intent of this post is actually just to express an Andre townread, and not to just look like she's scumhunting
She doesn't give two shits about the early suspicion on Ircher because Ircher isn't her buddy and she doesn't care what Ircher's alignment is for a while
What is she even trying to accomplish with this content if she's scum, she already said this. She just wants her most confident read in town-Andres to be heard because she's townIn post 1600, Malakittens wrote:Id townbin andresIn post 1595, Vivax wrote:UNVOTE:
Luke, mastina, (???)
I don‘t know, maybe Ydrasse for third
But I‘m never limming Roden today I think after re-ISOing.
This extremely obstinate defense almost always comes from town in my experience. Especially when it‘s so genuinely egocentrist at times (not negatively connotated as it‘s a townie process)
This is def his row. Meta
I believed her 331 about me as well, I could see her having that take. Not as strong as the other ones, but it did contribute to solidifying the read.
All in all, Mala just wants to solve and that seems obvious to me from reading her posts.
Also, vibes
If you were modding a 21 player and you gave Mafia 4 players (not confirmed), would you give 2 Mafia useless abilities?In post 2107, Ydrasse wrote:i skim roden's iso and it's like
mailman who can get messages back for free right ?
that claim is probably real ya but i don't get how alignment follows that one
This FG or Uncrowned? Not that dissimilar in style, but FG writes more neutrally.In post 2108, Masquerader Blue wrote:If you were modding a 21 player and you gave Mafia 4 players (not confirmed), would you give 2 Mafia useless abilities?In post 2107, Ydrasse wrote:i skim roden's iso and it's like
mailman who can get messages back for free right ?
that claim is probably real ya but i don't get how alignment follows that one
In post 1144, jjh927 wrote:Interesting line of thought.In post 1129, Roden wrote:I think any scum who joined the Ircher wagon would do so nonchalantly, the slip would've panicked the scum team and they wouldn't be sure whether or not Ircher could get away with it in the moment. The pile up happened so quickly that scum would most likely feel too self-conscious to make a big deal out of it or make a hard push, in fear of coming off as informed.In post 1060, Andresvmb wrote:@Roden yeah maybe. But you also have to make a decision as Scum. Either you push Ircher right then and there about a potential slip that Ircher may be able to get away from (I didn’t find the “slip” killer, the freezing is what did Ircher in), or you hold off, and you position yourself around the flip that started seeming more and more inevitable as the day went on. Look at Vivax’s play and tell me that’s not what you see.
Look Vivax could have just been wrong and Town that’s always possible. But they were definitely the one player I thought was the Scummiest yesterday. It’s hard for me to look away right now.
If I had to guess, I'd say two scum on wagon, one scum off.
What is your take on Klick right now
Yeah, jailkeeper causes false guilties.In post 2114, jjh927 wrote:Friendly reminder that one of the roles that already flipped would be a false guilty for the traffic analyst that would itself create additional false guilties
Also worth noting that scum are also likely to have a role that would be able to 'explain' the guilty if they got hit by the traffic analyst because that's pretty common design
Roden is town regardless but the mechanical reasoning on this page is pretty poor. Roden being town is very much in spite of the mechanical reasons for him not to be
In post 2077, Klick wrote:I think if Dannflor had any genuine interest in sorting me and thought this, the town next step would be asking any questions about any of my readsIn post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Like Klick just seems to be in lockstep with you without any real unique pushes or thoughts of his own.
Instead, he's starting with a conclusion and saying this with intent to sound persuasive instead of to solve
Because he doesn't need to actually solve for me
Because he's scum
Ydrasse is town yayIn post 2107, Ydrasse wrote:i skim roden's iso and it's like
mailman who can get messages back for free right ?
that claim is probably real ya but i don't get how alignment follows that one
In post 2121, Klick wrote:First quote shouldn't be there
No, you're completely off, but I wouldn't really expect you to be on the same page as meIn post 2119, Vivax wrote:Anyway, need to make my rounds, collect protection money, have a drink, then send my curriculum to the PLA /jk
But jjh is sort of implying he's neighbourized with Klick and thinks that's the scum, methinks