Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Nikanor]

Actually, I don't know why I'm still lying, but I'm not actually a day cop (obv obv). Farore flavour doesn't mesh with day cop anyway. I just wanted to stop the chesskid wagon before it went to a lynch.
That said, unless you think that Kairyuu was lying about a shift (and I don't see any reason for why he would), I think there is a Day Ozmodiar. There are four day actions confirmed or claimed (cucco daykill, cucco voteblock, Kai's rollout, Exilon's inspection), so I don't see why there wouldn't be an ozmodiar that only works in the day. There is most likely no ozmodiar that works during the night, at least.

In any case

Vote: mothrax.

He's scummy anyway, and I believe both that there is a shift and Exilon's investigation.

I don't care about the neighbor claim thing to argue it against everyone. I've done that enough this game. This is just another example of me being right and others not understanding, and quite frankly I'm tired of dealing with it. /wrists

[DTMaster]

There is a way to confirm this shift. Cupcake, D1 did you self target that day?

[DTMaster]

It was claimed that you activated your ability at the start of the day. Logically that means you activated during a day shift (according to Nikanor)

[DTMaster]

Any mason can answer this obv.

[Nikanor]

She activated it as soon as day one started. Either the shifter has to be activated (for instance, if he chooses the number of shifts), or Cupcake's ability resolves first, or both.

[DTMaster]

Hmm based on that:

We activated Nayru’s Love to protect ourselves. This resulted in the cuccos being disintegrated into little blue particles. LLD points out that this is likely the blue force field known as Nayru’s Love because it is logical that when things collide into a force field, they disintegrate. Ythan’s refute?

You'd think people arguing in the great plains of Hyrule would attract monsters...
Anyways, you argue loudly about how obviously the one going under the pseudonym of "Chesskid" is horribly suspicious.
As representative of all races bicker frantically, one of you turn and see...

"Hey... what's that big cloud?"
"I... don't think that's a cloud..."
"Oh my god... HYSTERIC CUCCO FLOCK, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

As all of you scatter in order to avoid the threat of CHICKENS, Le Cupcake trips.
Upon seconds, the Cuccos are upon him, doing what Cuccos do best:
...Vanish in flashy blue particles?

Hmmm.... I'm going to mull things over. It's late and I need to process this new info. There is a contradiction in actions somewhere here between Cupcake/Mason Trio, Exilon, and Kai's claim of the shift.

[DTMaster]

Also applied shifting is odd and reeks more like busing/redirection rather then that.

[Nikanor]

Actually, looking back at stuff, here's what happened with the shift:
- [6. Kairyuu] used ROLLOUT on [13. Ythan]
- The ROLLOUT aimed at [13. Ythan] gets redirected -13 spaces to [0. Reckamonic]
- [7. Exilon] used INSPECT on [19. Lady Lambdadelta]
- The INSPECT aimed at [19. Lady Lambdadelta] gets redirected -13 spaces to [6. Kairyuu]

Kairyuu is a claimed Boss-miller. Yeeeeep.

Oh well. I still like my vote on mothrax.

[zwetschenwasser]

Oi vey. I'm way too behind on this game.

Vote: Kairyuu

for ^

[Nikanor]

zwetschenwasser, two things: a) Kairyuu was replaced by Beefster a while ago, and b) If you thought that Kairyuu was lying about his miller claim, you should have voted him sooner.

[Le Cupcake]

If Exi did indeed investigate LLD, the result is very possibly due to a shift. It would also explain why he is still alive.

As for the neighbor claims, I am neither against or for it. I do NOT think however that it should be the sole focus for us. We know the presence of the neighbors, and also know that there is obviously scum within their group.

[Le Cupcake]

Ah missed this page.

I self-protected myself D1. It was very possible that I had done it before the shift was activated, as I used it near start of day.

[Exilon]

I did think of the shift, but didn't Kai say Day 1 that after all there was no shift? If you read me Day 1, you'll see me asking about it.
I also don't see where Nik claimed LLD to be PGO.
Here's the timestamp of the investigation:
Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:21 pm


I was going to target-confirm today but I'm still waiting for a mod's answer on a question. IF ONLY THE MOD COULD COME BY.
Also, there has been more than one miller claim, so I found it a bit suspicious and possibly fakeclaims. At least one of them.

[nameloc1986]

Hey, just a thought, but if there was a shift, would it have affected night actions too?

I'm a little more suspicious of Kairyuu's miller claim than Zwet's ATM. I think Beefster needs to post his WHOLE role PM for us.

I'm willing to believe Exilon's Shiek claim for now, but I am not liking Nik's wanting everybody to lynch him over LLD & LCC. Coupled with the fact that he lied about being a daycop so we wouldn't lynch Chesskid. I'm seeing more of a scum motivation than town motivation.

[Ythan]

I'm only at the morning scene so far. Fate kills Tripod, gets killed back, JABOC commits suicide?

[Ythan]

Can we get a mass "I do/do not know anything about OoT" claim?

[Ythan]

It is possible that the witches had an ability to combine into Twinrova, or that now that they have been defeated they have and are still able to participate, as in the game.

[Ythan]

Nik's suspicion of neighbors who don't suspect their neighbors is sound and is a good thread to follow.

[RayFrost]

Responding to ythan's posts in order:

Yes.

Why?

Yes, yes, we've moved past that business.

I disagree. Read moar to find out why.

[Ythan]

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Because I want to know whether the horrible flavor speculation I occasionally see is from people who sincerely don't know shit about Zelda or not.

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I know why you disagree but I disagree.

[nameloc1986]

Because I want to know whether the horrible flavor speculation I occasionally see is from people who sincerely don't know shit about Zelda or not.

I played Zelda: OoT countless times and I admit to being a fanboy. Hey, just out curiosity can you elaborate on what you find horrible about the flavor speculation?

[Ythan]

I'm not sure now how serious it was but when I saw someone else suggest that there might be another pair of witches it made me rage.

[Exilon]

I'll be V/LA until Monday, sorry everyone

[Kdub]

Didn't realize the day had started. Reading D2 now, notes as I go along.

Neighbor claim is meaningless to me as far as alignment is concerned. Also, if one or more of the neighbors is scum, they could easily just have a sage safeclaim and not actually have the "unlock powers" mechanic associated with their role, so we should be careful about assuming how scum-neighbors would behave in terms of who to attack or not. Still dislike Chrono's play yesterday, and the claim does nothing to change my opinion.

BE's vote on Nik looks bad (voting a claimed mason?). This was before Ex's cop claim.

Exilon's claim: WIFOM on both sides here. At face value, I would disbelieve Ex because I can sort of see some scum motivation (wanting to get a claimed mason/PGO lynched, even if it means sacrificing himself), but the shift/sanity issues should be discussed until we've found out as much as we can. I agree with DTM's suggestion for Ex to test his ability today on one of the millers to check for sanity.

If there is a shift, I don't think we can know what direction or how many spots the shift is unless somebody is a dayvig (doubtful or they would have used it D1) or a day-rolecop or some other day role that can confirm a chosen target and an actual target. Also, do we have any reason to think a shift would carry over to today, or that it wouldn't change?

Nik: Not familiar with ozmodiar, can you explain?

Ythan: Played OoT several times before, but probably not for at least 5 years, so I've forgotten a few things. Always been a bigger fan of WW and TP, so I'm pretty familiar with LoZ in general.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyone else suspicious that substrike hasn't been posting at all today?