In post 2123, fferyllt wrote:The GM kill looked newb, careless or designed for misdirection/lack of information.
That's why I came into D2 really paranoid about agi102 too. In a sense, not everything has gone wrong. GM would have been paranoia central for me and I wouldn't have been able to get that near-lynch and VT claim saving her outta my head on D2, and agi cop - that's two people I'd be paranoid of.
Cabd gone too, now my focus is more razor-sharp without all the lingering paranoia of too many people
but yeah Wisdom's on the ropes here and it's funny no one expects him to flip town
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:27 pm
by Bert
EBWOP: It just seems like one of those kills that is meant to confuse town, as if we aren't confused enough already.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:28 pm
by notscience
Low-information.
Any particular reason you're trying to over-inflate my scumgame?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:31 pm
by notscience
Bert, in 1496 we killed someone because they were low information.
Ffery's tryin to imply that's what I'm doing here.
Ffery, do I always do as such? Or, does my scumgame adapt?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:34 pm
by fferyllt
In post 2129, notscience wrote:Bert, in 1496 we killed someone because they were low information.
Ffery's tryin to imply that's what I'm doing here.
Ffery, do I always do as such? Or, does my scumgame adapt?
As far as I can recall, that's the only game I've played with scum-you.
I'm thinking about it because you brought up the GM kill.
If Wisdom is scum, and I still think he is, I'm curious why Kaze didn't want Bert dead. Maybe he thought a Bert kill would point back at him?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:36 pm
by Bert
Ffery, I'm not really a threat as town to get NKed, and at the end of the day I was going after people like Cabd and TSO.
Plus, Kaze tried to buddy me during those interactions saying that I'm his/her only scumread, which weirded me out. Also, I claimed VT at the end of Day 1 too, like GM.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:37 pm
by Bert
Most of all, Ffery you were saying Kaze's game was evolving and only hedging bothered you enough to avoid having Kaze listed as a solid townread.
No one else really was putting any kinda suspicion on Kaze other than me.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:37 pm
by Bert
DANG enter button oops sorry 3 posts. My point is that my Kaze scumread wasn't strong enough that I wasn't gonna waffle - I waffled D2 and flip flopped...
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:37 pm
by notscience
This goes back to the GM kill.
Both of them claimed Vt.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:38 pm
by fferyllt
In post 2131, Bert wrote:Ffery, I'm not really a threat as town to get NKed, and at the end of the day I was going after people like Cabd and TSO.
Plus, Kaze tried to buddy me during those interactions saying that I'm his/her only scumread, which weirded me out. Also, I claimed VT at the end of Day 1 too, like GM.
Only townread you mean?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:39 pm
by fferyllt
In post 2132, Bert wrote:Most of all, Ffery you were saying Kaze's game was evolving and only hedging bothered you enough to avoid having Kaze listed as a solid townread.
No one else really was putting any kinda suspicion on Kaze other than me.
That's true. he kinda inherited the newbtown vibe we had for gravija when he replaced in.
In post 2136, fferyllt wrote:That's true. he kinda inherited the newbtown vibe we had for gravija when he replaced in.
Yep, pretty much. You said something about how you kinda read gravija as town and moved on to other people because it seemed like a true newbtown person vibe-wise.
Bert voted Cabd, and after I voted him, he rejoined the TSO wagon.
ffery calls my Bert vote bad.
Then Bert votes GM.
Kaze (Wisdom) Calls Bert out with a "Wtf are you doing"
ns declares intent, GM claims VT.
Bert and notscience start counterwagon on Cabd. Counter to TSO that is.
Bert moves after TSO instead.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:02 pm
by Sakura Hana
Now time to read all I missed while I was doing that.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:05 pm
by Bert
see ns this is why you're playing fine (if you're town), cuz look people who are conftown were on all kinds of wagons on town too according to that Sakura analysis
heck I'm on a wagon on conftown half the time, and my only time on Kaze was really brief vote-wise and not even long enough to show up on any VC.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:08 pm
by Sakura Hana
I put all my notes in there which I think are relevant and should be looked at, feel free to add your own notes too, that kind of tired me out so imma play Terraria until sleep time, then I'll do VCA for Day 2 tomorrow after work.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:08 pm
by Sakura Hana
Also note that ffery not doing trajectory analysis so far has been bothering me.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:10 pm
by Bert
Have a good one!
I'm watching the conclusion of the Colts-Broncos game...
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:12 pm
by Bert
If anyone has questions about the VC analysis, go ahead and spill
I'm not sure what to look for in those
I think I need to look at the timing of Wisdom's doc claim and "lynch cabd ffs before he convinces use otherwise" and if it came right after Sakura said "let's lynch notscience, how about let's lynch ns"
just thought of that, idk why I didn't think of that earlier
In post 1551, Wisdom wrote:the only reason he keeps ate'ing this hard is to appeal to you.
Why would he need to do that? I already said I'm never voting him.
On other news I think my vote is gonna head here now:
Vote: notscience
If you're really the doc then help me find the roleblocker so that our cop lives tonight.
In post 1553, Wisdom wrote:Because you're his only chance to survive. Bert already stated he might sheep you and agi might also do.
In post 1554, Sakura Hana wrote:Am I? I think I've said enough why Cabd is super town because of my gambit. Why did he fake a cop inno on me to protect me from a NK if that would put him on hot waters if the real cop came and claimed, assuming he did know I wasn't the cop.
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:16 pm
by fferyllt
In post 2145, Sakura Hana wrote:Also note that ffery not doing trajectory analysis so far has been bothering me.
I do it explicitly more in large games or in games where I replace in with 10-15 pages because it helps me figure out what happened prior to my joining or when the stance movements are super complex. That's not been the case in this game, though. The biggest perturbation in the game was Wisdom's replace in, and the impact that had on the wagons was pretty blatant. I'll lay it out, though and we'll see if something jumps out.