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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:02 am
by skitter30
uh you're looking at 2 different posts made hundreds of posts apart across several irl days in different gamestates
if you have specific issues about the trajectory and how gamma got from one pov to another that's fine but just saying 'oh he thought something different 600 posts prior!!!1!' is disingenuous
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:03 am
by skitter30
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:12 am
by Taly
skitter30
Every reply from
peta
in this dialogue chain pings me more than the previous.
1934 sounds like challenging
Dwlee's
read on
Infinity
but
1935 throws me off from this idea because
peta's
focus shifts from defending
Infinity
to being scumread based off the idea
Dwlee
is town...
But
Dwlee
seems more closely in
peta's
PoE than not, so why set an expectation that
Dwlee
must be town for him to avoid scrutiny? The framing of the situation doesn't make sense to me and possibly informed. So I figured the post was self-conscious in the interest of
peta's
defense, not
Infinity's
. Which is a weird stance to take for town who disagrees with another townread being suspected.
The
1938 post does nothing to sway me from my above thought process. Why would
peta
be concerned with
"down-the-line"
when the setup was very unclear? Sure, he could be mislim bait, but there doesn't seem to be a binary elimination setup so far, so this post reads more of just
"stop paying attention to me"
more than
"I don't want to be misunderstood."
And when
Galron
actually calls him out on this, the aggression in
2025 feels very disproportional to the situation. If
peta
wasn't worried about being viewed as informed (in the idea that he actually wasn't), why does he spend energy trying to dismiss and antagonize someone he already scumreads? It reads in bad faith, and by this point, I've lost trust in most of
peta's
intention in the dialogue tree.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:16 am
by Galron
Kinda like dwlee. A lot of the same thoughts.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:19 am
by Galron
In post 2125, skitter30 wrote:uh you're looking at 2 different posts made hundreds of posts apart across several irl days in different gamestates
if you have specific issues about the trajectory and how gamma got from one pov to another that's fine but just saying 'oh he thought something different 600 posts prior!!!1!' is disingenuous
If I recall correctly he was using those reads as a starting place for his ISOs.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:20 am
by Taly
Also, I have absolutely no clue if
Dunn
is reading this game beyond every two or third post that mentions him.
This isn't a slight at all, I just can't feel compelled to think he's town because he's returned to the exact same conversations as the previous game phases, and has added no additional content. The coasting feels scummy because it has worked in his favor.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:22 am
by Galron
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:22 am
by Taly
In post 2118, skitter30 wrote: In post 2106, Saber wrote:Most vocal stagehand or suspicions from Pooky I can see are on Gamma, Dunnstral, and petapan. He also supported a S-S theory for the two leading wagons.
just gonna point out that even though i townread gamma at this point we technically we haven't really seen anything that disproves s/s
if they were actually svs wagons picking your partner and then sabotaging the flip is a great way to make you look unaligned in that situation
While I agree with this, a
Gamma/Galron
duel feels both like something scum would predict and a rehash from the chair vote. I'd like to see new contestants in the hot seat.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:32 am
by Taly
Do you think
Dwlee/peta
could be S-S?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:38 am
by Galron
Doubt it. I think dwlee is town. Maybe peta too.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:39 am
by Galron
Why ask that when I just finished saying I liked dwlee?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:41 am
by Dwlee99
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:45 am
by Taly
Galron wrote:
Why ask that when I just finished saying I liked dwlee?
oh ha, I misread, I thought you were like
"hmmm, I feel what you feel about
peta
but toward
dwlee
"
and wanted to see if I could rule out associatives in regard to sorting you so I asked about two slots I've been uncertain of, I made an oopsie.
D:<
Don't think people see what I see at the moment. I want someone to help me find clarity.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:47 am
by petapan
In post 2108, Saber wrote: In post 2025, petapan wrote: In post 1963, Galron wrote: In post 1938, petapan wrote:
no just
down the line
anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up
This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.
shut the fuck up wolf
Why are you mad at him if you think he's a stagehand doing his job?
because that post is ludicrously stupid shade, and in the moment it pissed me off so that i gave that response
when someone is arguing disingenuously you cannot just keep arguing on their terms because they'll keep twisting shit, so i break it off
and right here what galron is doing is fucking nonsense
"this sounds like you knew this phase was coming" is shading me for predicting that,
in a mafia game
, there would be a phase involving eliminating someone from the game. imagine being able to predict that. insane. impossible. how could anyone know
any rational minded person looks at that post and thinks nothing of it
however if your job is tell lies and get townies killed, you look at that post and try to spin it as coming from an informed perspective
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:48 am
by petapan
In post 2109, Saber wrote:I'm not interested in voting for Ydrasse or Gypyx. I don't like Infinity voting for Gypyx on the basis Gamma contestant means Prism more likely to be a stagehand.
Infinity, you've made this assumption twice now that the people pushing Gamma the most are more likely to be a stagehand now that Gamma is probably a contestant - first with me, and now with Prism. The problem with that is the fact stagehands knew how the chair in the first phase would work, and that it comes with a heavy risk of the chaired person simply OMGUS executing their pusher.
I'm sure stagehand Prism would have some more reservations of pushing Gamma so aggressively had she considered this factor, which I'm sure she would've.
you say you don't like it but do you think it makes infinity scummy
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:49 am
by Infinity 324
VOTE: ydrasse
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:51 am
by Infinity 324
i don't think we should really be worried too much about galron/ydrasse wanting to vote themselves, if they're scum there's a good chance they're just trying to make it seem like they want to be voted. it's unlikely the duel is actually a good thing
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:55 am
by Toogeloo
Why did Gamma shoot Cephrir instead of shoot Galron again?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:56 am
by Galron
In post 2138, petapan wrote: In post 2108, Saber wrote: In post 2025, petapan wrote: In post 1963, Galron wrote: In post 1938, petapan wrote:
no just
down the line
anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up
This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.
shut the fuck up wolf
Why are you mad at him if you think he's a stagehand doing his job?
because that post is ludicrously stupid shade, and in the moment it pissed me off so that i gave that response
when someone is arguing disingenuously you cannot just keep arguing on their terms because they'll keep twisting shit, so i break it off
and right here what galron is doing is fucking nonsense
"this sounds like you knew this phase was coming" is shading me for predicting that,
in a mafia game
, there would be a phase involving eliminating someone from the game. imagine being able to predict that. insane. impossible. how could anyone know
any rational minded person looks at that post and thinks nothing of it
however if your job is tell lies and get townies killed, you look at that post and try to spin it as coming from an informed perspective
What I was saying was that you make it sound like you knew that there would be a spare/execute phase. Who knew that was coming? Why are you so upset that I would wonder how anyone knew that phase was next?
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:57 am
by Infinity 324
because he wasn't allowed to
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:59 am
by Galron
In post 2138, petapan wrote: In post 2108, Saber wrote: In post 2025, petapan wrote: In post 1963, Galron wrote: In post 1938, petapan wrote:
no just
down the line
anyway i got what i wanted out of this phase and i'm ready to move on, was just typing some thoughts up
This sounds like you knew this phase was coming.
shut the fuck up wolf
Why are you mad at him if you think he's a stagehand doing his job?
because that post is ludicrously stupid shade, and in the moment it pissed me off so that i gave that response
when someone is arguing disingenuously you cannot just keep arguing on their terms because they'll keep twisting shit, so i break it off
and right here what galron is doing is fucking nonsense
"this sounds like you knew this phase was coming" is shading me for predicting that,
in a mafia game
, there would be a phase involving eliminating someone from the game. imagine being able to predict that. insane. impossible. how could anyone know
any rational minded person looks at that post and thinks nothing of it
however if your job is tell lies and get townies killed, you look at that post and try to spin it as coming from an informed perspective
And why are you so insulting? This is a game.
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:00 am
by Taly
VOTE: petapan
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:06 am
by petapan
In post 2127, Taly wrote:Every reply from peta in this dialogue chain pings me more than the previous.
1934 sounds like challenging Dwlee's read on Infinity but 1935 throws me off from this idea because peta's focus shifts from defending Infinity to being scumread based off the idea Dwlee is town...
But Dwlee seems more closely in peta's PoE than not, so why set an expectation that Dwlee must be town for him to avoid scrutiny? The framing of the situation doesn't make sense to me and possibly informed. So I figured the post was self-conscious in the interest of peta's defense, not Infinity's. Which is a weird stance to take for town who disagrees with another townread being suspected.
The 1938 post does nothing to sway me from my above thought process. Why would peta be concerned with "down-the-line" when the setup was very unclear? Sure, he could be mislim bait, but there doesn't seem to be a binary elimination setup so far, so this post reads more of just "stop paying attention to me" more than "I don't want to be misunderstood."
And when Galron actually calls him out on this, the aggression in 2025 feels very disproportional to the situation. If peta wasn't worried about being viewed as informed (in the idea that he actually wasn't), why does he spend energy trying to dismiss and antagonize someone he already scumreads? It reads in bad faith, and by this point, I've lost trust in most of peta's intention in the dialogue tree.
taly respectfully this is hot nonsense and if you believe i'm an optimal kill over any of the people not playing it would be an absolute atrocity, especially when the case for me being scum here is so incredibly tenuous
preflip associatives are just awful to use and will lead you down a false path a majority of the time
first point: i wanted dwlee to elaborate on his scumread of infinity. "tonal read" is a really silly reason to be scumreading someone that deep into the game, but it also gives me nothing to work with. i didn't bother pressing him to elaborate, because i do not actually care what the reasoning behind a "tonal read" over 1000 posts into the game is. truthfully, him giving such a crappy explanation is probably +town but iwouldn't hang my hat on that
i already adressed the "down the line" point. it is nonsensical.
how the you read that exchange with galron and conclude
I'M
the one acting in bad faith, i have absolutely no idea
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:07 am
by petapan
i insulted your post and accused you of being a liar
cut the crocodile tears
Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:07 am
by petapan
In post 2141, Infinity 324 wrote:i don't think we should really be worried too much about galron/ydrasse wanting to vote themselves, if they're scum there's a good chance they're just trying to make it seem like they want to be voted. it's unlikely the duel is actually a good thing
yes