no, luna is probably scum who fashioned role to fit...
You are not scum, Mac's slot not scum, I am not scum, vasoon not scum.... what does that leave...
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:11 pm
by BBmolla
PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:11 pm
by BBmolla
un-normal vig, scumslip srry
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:34 pm
by PeaceBringer
In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid
In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid
plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:37 pm
by PeaceBringer
see the game is not set up around 1 player... that is absurd. There is a player with some chance to impact a couple of players that could allow for some hijinks and give scum so places to hide. One got eliminated the other did not. The playing out of the game was not dependent on that one role.
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:50 pm
by ooba
In post 2161, PeaceBringer wrote:see the game is not set up around 1 player... that is absurd. There is a player with some chance to impact a couple of players that could allow for some hijinks and give scum so places to hide. One got eliminated the other did not. The playing out of the game was not dependent on that one role.
Of course it is. If Nero had lived to D2, he would have seen BBM and VC claim. And normalized them the next night and the game would have turned out a lot differently.
In fact, I was secretly hoping Nero targetted one of them N1 - which was why I was asking them for their results every day. (Gives them the opportunity to post results without getting killed)
In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid
plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...
You're not following
If you were in a game and had to claim a protective role, would you claim Doctor or Barbed Wire?
In post 2161, PeaceBringer wrote:see the game is not set up around 1 player... that is absurd. There is a player with some chance to impact a couple of players that could allow for some hijinks and give scum so places to hide. One got eliminated the other did not. The playing out of the game was not dependent on that one role.
Of course it is. If Nero had lived to D2, he would have seen BBM and VC claim. And normalized them the next night and the game would have turned out a lot differently.
In fact, I was secretly hoping Nero targetted one of them N1 - which was why I was asking them for their results every day. (Gives them the opportunity to post results without getting killed)
It woulda been a different game true, but the "Game" is not dependent on the one role. It is just one element, and your arguing this point now just demonstrates further your true position.
In post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be valid
plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...
You're not following
If you were in a game and had to claim a protective role, would you claim Doctor or Barbed Wire?
faulty premise, this is a when did you stop molesting children comment...
scum is going to claim whatever they think will best carry them forward in this game. So yes, scum will make up flavor text in order to get through. Some times you make stuff up, sometimes you take a bit of what you have or someone else had and twist slightly to have it believable. In the context of any given game and claim you have the content of the claim, you have the context of the game, and you have the psychology of the claim.
Regarding the game context and psychology of claim varsoon is clearly town.
You have the 2 cop claims with the context and psychology makes no sense if one is scum
You have my claim which in terms of context and psychology should be obvious that I am town. Since I am an "unknown" factor it is easy to ignore the facts and just call me scummy. Make proclamations like "better player than puts on." I have to be faking a lot of the psychology to be scum. For my claim to be scum, it would have to have been a huge gambit that paid off as what scum in their right mind makes such a negative utility claim in which the town would have benefit to actually lynch? I would have to be a hall of a great player to pull it off in such circumstances.
Now we have 2 other claims. One with an over emphasized content that appear to fit context. And one with a claim that is odd regarding context. And you have 2 of them right now working really hard to appear to be engaging in "townish" behaviors, but it is half hearted.
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:29 am
by Varsoon
I'll make this easier.
VOTE: Ooba
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:40 am
by Luna Lovegood
In post 2138, Mac wrote:because if ooba is town and varsoon is scum, scum can autowin pretty much?
ooba stumping would bring things down to 5 alive, 4 to lynch, meaning varsoon+buddy would be no closer to winning.
In post 2142, Mac wrote:also i feel weird that he's not considering this at all and just calling me town.
conviction that RC was town the entire game is pretty interesting, yeah. considering all RC did was call him scum and literally nothing else, i would expect some doubts every now and then.
I'm flying overseas today, so my access will be limited. I should be able to phone in (haha see what I did there) vote counts and other moddy things, although their looks may be substandard. If I disappear for longer than you feel comfortable with, please contact one of the reviewers.
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:53 am
by PeaceBringer
unvote, it actually may be worthwhile to force a stump from Ooba...
cause right now, mislynch, kill varsoon, game over for scum. Varsoon still makes it 4 to lynch at 5...
someone convince me otherwise...
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:55 am
by PeaceBringer
ooba, so you should probably stump...
if you are town you help narrow things down
if scum you of course have no reason to do so...
please someone give me any logic any other way.
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:56 am
by PeaceBringer
I had not really thought through the ooba stumping at this point as focused on the luna element and as well as defending self...(after being on verge of giving in)
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:54 am
by Varsoon
unvote
Vote effectively on Ooba.
Ooba, Stump right now.
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:08 pm
by PeaceBringer
ADVOCATION of OOBA stumping
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:37 am
by ooba
When we started the day with 6 players, I already figured out that the most optimal play was stumping because
- It would make the player count odd
- And Varsoon scum+partner still wouldn't be able to auto hammer for the win. (Since it would be 4 to lynch with 5 alive due to Varsoon)
We still have a decent amount of days. Give me a couple to finish my analysis and then'll I stump - because I wont be able to post later.