Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[GreyICE]

Not a clue.

[Anatole Kuragin]

good answer

still waiting on flub

[Anatole Kuragin]

Are you so confident that reck is scum that you're willing to risk a quicklynch by a possible myko/flub team?

[xRECKONERx]

loool

It's probably GI+myko then. When he replaced in I honestly forgot he was replacing farside and treated him as a new player

[GreyICE]

Good exchange.

Look, I'll go into why you don't let herpa hammers live. It's not because it's a scum tactic (although "tee-hee I hammered" is often scum). It's because it means that the player wasn't paying attention to the wagon. It wasn't that interesting. It was part of a larger picture. But town never HAS a larger picture. The lynch is everything.

Go back and look how often Reckoner claims to have a town read on Vezok. Repeatedly. He should, Vezok is super-easy to read if you know his slightly derptastic playstyle (it's a Vezok thing). And look what he does. He votes Vezok and says he wants SSK more. Look at that again. He voted for his town read. And said he wanted scum more. Vote town. FOS Scum.

Look how easy it was to sway MattP to MafiaSSK over Vezok. So insanely easy. But Reck didn't even try.

Do I believe him when he says its an accidental hammer? Yes I do. He was looking at the big picture. Mislynch day 1 and 2, feed SSK to the wolves (he's not a good mafia player anyway, if we're being honest), coast to LyLo on any one of a number of mislynches (Flubber, Farside, etc.).

Normally when there's this sort of 1v1 you should play it out in LyLo, but this... this is so fucking egregious. This is so fucking insanely egregious.

[xRECKONERx]

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[GreyICE]

I am actually angry. Yes, I get that TSO had a confirmed claim on MafiaSSK, but how the HELL do you guys let that slide? You lynch herpa hammers. They don't come from non-newbie town.

[xRECKONERx]

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[xRECKONERx]

GI replaces in in LYLO, sees there's a 2v1 already, goes after me, ISOs until he finds something he can hammer on to fit his vote, then keeps going and going and going.

farside was scummy, GI is scummy, it's GImyko

[Anatole Kuragin]

why wouldn't he vote me though?

[GreyICE]

Hey Reck, you claimed to read Vezok. Well fuck, that's easy. He's not hard to read. And I'll give you enough credit to say you can actually do what you said.

Why vote a town read over a scum read, rather than try to sell MattP on voting a scum read? Why, Reck? Why would you do that thing?

Are you famous for being a doormat? A player who is afraid to lead wagons? A player who is afraid to go against the masses, and content to leave the leadership of the town to someone else and mindlessly sheep them? Is that how you would describe yourself as a player, Reck?

Pedit:

Possibilities:

1) I'm wrong about Flubber and he's scum. Frankly, Flubber has the least scummy ISO of anyone here, and that quick, sardonic fireback about SSK is strange to do to a scumbuddy. Then there's quotes like this:

VOTE: Myko

I'll wagon him or Reck. These current wagons suck.

This is extremely town. So this is the least likely.

2) I'm wrong about you and you're scum. At which point this conversation is pointless, but c'est la vie.

3) LyLo bus.

[Anatole Kuragin]

You said you thought I was more likely scum than myko.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Regardless of Myk's alignment too, Anatole.

But this raises an interesting question. You left your vote on Myk for 6 hours in LyLo. It is now gone. If Myk is town and you are town, then the game would be lost for you. The ONLY way you wouldn't fear that is if you were 100% confident Myk was scum. And yet you removed your vote.

And here you are, critiquing me for asking for an unvote. And not asking Reck for the same, but just saying "where is flubber"?

You're not town, are you Anatole?

Flubber is confirmed town. Get better folks.

VOTE: flubbernugget

Can you please give more than that

I've never even played with SSK and I know the answer to that.

Reck is confirmed scum unless this is some shit LyLo gambit.

Leaning Anatole over Myk for scum.

[GreyICE]

You said you thought I was more likely scum than myko.

Then you tried to probe me out. Now I'm conflicted.

Myk is clearly taking an interest in the game, and invested in people, as are you. You're the better player (I might hate how you play, and find your posts grating, but that's a personal issue, I can see past it) and that would have me lean you for scum over Myk. My experience also is that the first vote in LyLo is usually town - scum don't have much to gain from tossing down a vote, as it moves a high percentage chance (one of the townies breaks and votes a townie) into a low percentage chance (lock yourself into a 1v1 and hope you can out argue the opponent). And even if you do, Myk-scum choosing to lock himself in a 1v1 with you over Flubber seems stupid at best.

So yes, on the face of it, I would say I lean Myk over you, especially since I had just received my role PM, and had not had time to thoroughly review each ISO.

Not sure that I still don't, but Reck is so... so... so bad. So I'm fine kicking the can down the road on your alignments. Flubber is a strong town read.

[xRECKONERx]

Hey Reck, you claimed to read Vezok. Well fuck, that's easy. He's not hard to read. And I'll give you enough credit to say you can actually do what you said.

Why vote a town read over a scum read, rather than try to sell MattP on voting a scum read? Why, Reck? Why would you do that thing?

Because I thought vezok's read on SSK was really weird and Matt pointed out the read being weird. I've explained this, do your homework.

Are you famous for being a doormat? A player who is afraid to lead wagons? A player who is afraid to go against the masses, and content to leave the leadership of the town to someone else and mindlessly sheep them? Is that how you would describe yourself as a player, Reck?

In the past year or so? Yes, that's how I would describe me. Take a gander over at 999 Mafia, which just ended today, where I was too petrified and paranoid to actually do a goddamn thing because I don't trust my reads that much anymore.

[Oman]

Wow, the sample role PM doesn't even say.

Oman, do scum have daytalk?

The role PM doesn't say they don't have magical wizard powers either...some things are just the default, man.

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES HE SHOULD BE DEAD AND I SHOULD BE REPLACING INTO A MUCH MORE SENSIBLE GAME

LYNCH THE HERPA DERPA HAMMERS

VOTE: RECKONER

DO NOT TOLERATE THIS SHIT

EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

I will not hesitate to replace you right the fuck out again if you don't settle down. I already lost one player for this shit.

[mykonian]

"Hi Myk! Why did you avoid the Reck v. Farside stuff and choose Anatole?"

Couple of steps. I think that anatole was the one most likely to be SSK's buddy just from play. His unvote was opportunistic.
From that point of view, however, the TSO kill makes less sense. Last day saw me and farside ready to lynch anatole, and with two scum I would suspect they took out one of farside/me in stead of a roleblocker.
which is why I was hesitant, obviously, to start negatively on Anatole. Not that I would have had rushed into that vote anyway, but in approach it made sense to look at other options.

The farside-reck stuff is nothing new. It's a continuation of yesterdays argument, the animosity more or less started day one. Personalities don't fit very well in a game, and it just sucks. It's not fun playing around that. I guess Reck might have enjoyed baiting farside, the way it looks, but meh. I'm not a fan.

I thought I read from the way the two approached it that it was town v town. Contentwise... there's nothing there. It's a repeating of points which people could believe in with insults in between.

Anyway, when farside raged out, there was a sentence there that anatole really was scum. Which is what triggered me to read back through today, see what anatole was doing with the room given. Nothing. He's just waiting for something to happen.

Recks vote makes him the buddy, I think, making flubber indeed the desinterested townie and not the cleverly lurking scum. I'd be fine following you onto Reck.

[GreyICE]

Vezok plays erratically and weirdly! That's why you develop the vezok town and scum tells! And herpa derpa hammer... I mean really. You're better than that. You are just better town than that, period.

I truly don't believe Flubber is scum, although this is LyLo and I've had zero chance to interact.

Fuck it

Unvote

I can't buy a Mykonian/Anatole scumteam unless the scum don't have daytalk. Which is possible, I guess.

Pedit:

Oh come on. Really? Fine, no cruise control.

[xRECKONERx]

I don't think scum having daytalk is standard?

[Anatole Kuragin]

why on earth would scum hard bus scum with the first lylo vote

[xRECKONERx]

Flubber hasn't checked in yet. Hmmm.

Unvote

[Flubbernugget]

Recks vote makes him the buddy, I think, making flubber indeed the desinterested townie and not the cleverly lurking scum. I'd be fine following you onto Reck.

I don't understand this at all. What I see right now is you looking for the lynch of least resistance.

Can I vote reck now?

[GreyICE]

I'm curious. Flubber, what do you think of Reck voting Mykonian?

[xRECKONERx]

Flubber please don't and actually fucking listen to me.

[Flubbernugget]

@Grey wouldn't there have been a quickhammer??