: My biggest objection to your statement was the sheer arbitrariness of "two scum on wagon and one off." Mastina discouraged it
twice
in that guide (which also says scum are less likely to be on a mislynch wagon). I don't understand on what grounds you made that statement, and why you would go so far as to ask us who of the rest is likely to be scum. It more appear-to-be-scum-hunting rather than real analysis. I want to know what aspects of the "lynch and the counterwagons" you're referring to and how they "felt" and what logic directs you to conclude 2 on 1 off from those things. Even after
1683, it's unclear why 2 on 1 off vs 1 on 2 off (et al).
As someone trying to sort people I demand that you (and Shoshin) not *just* stir up conversation but *contribute* your own thoughts because it's very easy to sit back and stir shit up and look productive as scum while not giving us thought processes and point of view content that is hard to fake.
I do not claim that my vote tracker effort is alignment indicative; I do claim that it was a more pro-town use of my time than continuing to drop 1600 word posts that make everyone dread reading the game.
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-Irrelephant I take back my view that mom-bernie being s/s is implausible. I thought at the time that it was implausible because while momrangal voteparked there and fucked off early, them voting each other was unnecessary. But I take that back because voting mom as a counter wagon doesn't get credit after the switch to hammering Gamma. However, my standalone analysis that the progression felt towny stands.
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, your reads change really often, and usually seemingly closer to popular opinion/likely lynches...
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Town having to work together probably means you should pay more attention to who's voting where! And also stop calling people's posts "crappy shit" and telling them to stfu. Abrasiveness is generally anti-town because it's hard to read people when irritated.
If voting with your scumreads doesn't change your mind, does it mean you don't think about why someone you think is scum might vote someone (regardless of who)? How does telling someone to
not
ask questions/post analysis/vote help town? Were we supposed to read your mind and know that you voted with your scum read because you didn't see it, and factor that into our analysis via magic? Or know that you're town (if you are) magically?
It's ridiculous to keep interlacing posts insulting players with posts demanding teamwork and posts lambasting disagreement as not-teamwork.
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Okay
@Bernie
we have got to come back to this "I feel like I might've been the NK target last night" bit.
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-Errant lol yeah I was hoping for Math to get all NAUCI IS TOWN GODDAMNIT for 6 pages again. C'est la vie.
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u fockin' wot m8
Whichever night you meant, please explain
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-Keyser I don't think Math made any scummy posts. But I think it's impossible to sort Math without a whole lot more posts, so I absolutely don't town read him. (I do think it's very possible to read him when he posts a lot, but, sadness.) I realize that the RL stuff factors in heavily, but I think Math is like me and would still make an effort to poke in a little even if unbelievably busy. Quiet Math != VT Math...
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I can't express how much I appreciate this post. I was feeling a bit paranoid/lost WRT Shoshin.
I also giggled at the "bludgeoned Gamma to death" bit. I think this was a pretty good example of "villagery fury."
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There are so many things wrong with the post, and the amount of OMGUS from TW only making maybe last place.
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-Gustavo
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Thank you.
This post helped me figure out what the bad vibes I had gotten were about. I felt like I had a good grasp of her state of mine through her posts but her vote pattern pinged me several times.
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-Shoshin Like here!
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Why?
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-Shoshin -Errant Good catch y'all.
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Why? here also.
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Actually I was silently eating crow because for all of my hesitations and circumstantial worries, I was leaning scum on Gamma albeit with increasing doubt.
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Towntelling as in what you think my towntells are, or what you consider to generally be town tells?
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-Keyser
Still don't like it but still think this is also town fury.
Not sure if I understand why pre-flip hypothesizing is town AI, however.
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TBH I'm a bit fuzzy on my thought process back at page 5. I think that it was I thought Shoshin's reaction was really genuine, and Skitter's reaction to her analysis of Math was very genuine, and then their continued interactions were not likely to be faked. Looking back, I feel exactly the same way that Skitter's correction of Shoshin's potential misconception was very towny, but don't know why I would have thought it made s/s more plausible than scumshoshin/townskitter, because I now don't have that reaction.
WRT 151, I think it felt like it was "quick" because I was reading all of those pages in a catchup instead of real time.
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I think you should do a similar analysis for the progression of TW's reads on momrangal, and how often TW voted/FOSed people who FOS him. I'm not saying this Socratically like it'll have an obvious conclusion; only that they are important thought processes we need to investigate.
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TBH, I don't think anything I'm doing would be out of my potential scum game (if I ever had a good one). I'm capable of thinking to do anything of the things I've done so far. However, any one of those things would be waaaay more difficult for me to do (a large part of why I procrastinated so long that game, mixed with how I kept getting away with it and not being FOSed by anyone but you for lurking), so the amount of intense thought process posts I've been making would have taken me a maaaaassive amount of time (whereas as town, the tryhard zuihitsu wallposts come to me very fluidly). So the same post that I spent so long working on that I got replaced out, I would have finished in 6 hours as town that game.
On one hand, it's very complimentary to each other that we're FOSing each other so hard because we think we'd be such capable scum players, but on the other hand, it's really not helping anybody (us included) sort us. I'm going to continue to try and force you to post things that would be extremely difficult for scum you to come up with, and, I'm guessing, vice versa.
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I think one component of why it was really hard to start a mom wagon yesterday was that she wasn't around. I know I moved off briefly because one of the reasons I FOSed her was low content, but pressure wasn't producing any content so I wanted to use my one vote to turn over other rocks. Meanwhile, Gamma was responding but not in ways that could break exisitng confbias.
I scumread the slot more for all of the inexplicable town reads on her very few (not terribly towny) posts than for her posts, so I question less why she didn't get votes and more why so many people actively defended her.
Actually, it's not just the inexplicable town reads. It's all of the seemingly inexplicable reads thrown around this game, a large portion of which have been regarding momrangal. While reads based on circumstances (like wagon momentum) are sensible, I get very bad feelings about how people seem to find her few posts and much silence indicative any which way, especially when it changes. I will give leeway for those things changing immediately after the flip since quite a bit was predicated on gamma's alignment, but no excuses on day 1.
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Nauci = good as in... town? Or a good vote and you think I'm scum with Shoshin? I think it's the latter but don't want to misinterpret.
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-Irrelephant I wish to try this in a hydra someday. It worked for Meji, after all!
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Agree to disagree on 102? I think that calling people out for exclusively fluff/look-busy posts is a very strong scum hunting tactic.
As for 675, my post meant that my scum pile was so large I didn't know where to start, so I picked an arbitrary reason to start there. In addition, putting someone to -2 is good pressure/scum hunting when >4 votes are required for a lynch.
I'm not bothering with links but I never stop turning over rocks day 1. There's plenty of people to stick to momentum wagons but just because there are 4 days (or whatever other number) left doesn't mean there aren't more opportunities to explore other avenues. I end a lot of days on what people like to call vanity votes but I consider them due diligence.
I was extremely unhappy with the Gamma wagon ending the day early and no other people I wanted to vote were even around, so vote parking in hopes that there were posts before ending the day seemed like the sensible option. What alternative do you suggest if you were working with the same premises? Or do you just find my premises "not acceptable"?
Why was it so clear at the start of day 2 that Math had stopped playing? He made repeated posts promising a return.
Also why do you think the TW vote is terrible?
Why is it perfectly okay for you to tell people to stfu and tell us we're all blind and terrible and bullshit and asshats, but not okay for anyone else to be anything but patient and kind to you and sheep all of your viewpoints? This is some narcissistic bullshit right here. There's no reason you couldn't have just asked me for clarifications or pointed out why you thought my votes weren't pro-town without using explicitly sardonic language. This is the shit Irrelephant touched on as well: it makes people not want to interact with you (skitter) or participate in this game (irrelephant). You shower us in condescension yet feel entitled to respect and teamwork (and people seeing things your way). Not only is it just plain irritating to read, it psychologically antithetical to teamwork.
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Oh god I suddenly feel very weird about myself for spending 5 hour chunks on a forum mafia game. What am I even doing with my life excuse me I need to apologize to my boyfriend
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I mean you can't play the "before I could even get back from VLA" card if you were going to be VLA for long past the deadline... That's a pretty manipulative way to frame that progression.
What do you mean by "betrayed"? Does that imply some sort of sense of "loyalty" and expectation that irrelephant was in your pocket? Why does your point of view have that expectation? (Yeah, what @Shoshin said in
1882.)
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Now I have no idea what you are or were trying to say.
chill.