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Post Post #2150 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 2148, Taly wrote:
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or could you look at him? Since you'd have a less biased eye, being a replace-in.
Well, I've already said that my less biased eye (and my other eye, as well :P) will not be reading the whole game. I could keep backing up from my replace-in until I found more Allo posts in context, but that probably wouldn't be worth the confusion it would create... so I only have his two recent posts to go on.

And, just like in my response to Pvt/Gamma, I'm surprised he thinks he has something AI on me already, when I don't think we've ever even played together before. Surprising thought processes are more often town than average, so I'll put him at a slight townread.
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Post Post #2151 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:39 am

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Firebringer's allowed to townread you because Alisae,

I'm not allowed to scumread you because banana?
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Post Post #2152 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:43 am

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In post 2149, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2145, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2132, PvtUrist wrote:
Spoiler: 2086
In post 2086, Something_Smart wrote:I am a beautiful lady :D

However, it is hard to follow Alisae... I definitely won't do eir slot justice. But I will try my best :]

Spoiler: 2089
In post 2089, Something_Smart wrote:However, what I won't do is read 83 pages. I'm usually fine going forward on replacing in, but my catchup reads are trash. I bet I'll do better keeping a clear head and an open mind.

Spoiler: 2091
In post 2091, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2087, Krazy wrote:Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?
Oh really, Alisae only claimed the miller part? I'm actually a deathproof miller survivor dayvig. :shifty:

(And more importantly, I read open setups before replacing into them :P)

Spoiler: 2103
In post 2103, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2097, Krazy wrote:momentum
*rimshot*

Also, I've been thinking. Scum get to make someone an IC. It would help immensely if they couldn't pick someone everyone already knew was town. So it's probably not a good idea to be very vocal about your townreads. Hmm, if only there were some other thread you could post them in... :thonk:

So, yeah. Whoever dances with me, this is what we are going to be talking about. Ideally, I'd like it to be someone who also prefers townhunting to scumhunting.

FB, which one of these posts felt town to you?
this is very good questioning methods
It makes the bizarre assumption that Fire's read is based on my posts and not on Alisae's.
Hadn't cinsidered that but I think Urist's thinking makes sense. His post on the page after the one this was on is wtf though.
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Post Post #2153 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 2151, PvtUrist wrote:Firebringer's allowed to townread you because Alisae,

I'm not allowed to scumread you because banana?
Wat?
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Post Post #2154 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 2066, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that
yo maybe this is the scum team
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?
This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am
What isn’t true? The scumteam can’t all be ladies or all gents and with a 9-8 ratio of gents-ladies, don’t you think 2 scum gents-1 scum lady, makes the most sense?
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Post Post #2155 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:49 am

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In post 2152, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hadn't cinsidered that but I think Urist's thinking makes sense. His post on the page after the one this was on is wtf though.
How exactly does it make sense to assume that a read on a newly replaced slot is due to its new occupant with 4 posts rather than due to its old one with god-knows-how-many?
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Post Post #2156 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:51 am

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Oh actually Alisae only had 108 posts, that's less than I would have guessed :P
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Post Post #2157 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:52 am

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In post 2067, TheBrie wrote:
In post 1989, Krazy wrote:
can you expand on townread for DT?

I don't actually want to keep harping on this but I feel like every time I have asked it's a) "gut" or b) no response whatsoever
I've got a town lean on DT, just because nothing is pinging me as scummy.
In post 2011, Dannflor wrote:I'm coming around to Dr Worm town btw

I think the only thing you could potentially scum read him for is (maybe?) trying to antagonize Nancy, but I think he's moved on from purposefully doing that. I agree with Krazy that his line of thinking regarding the IC and making it to the 2nd dance is towny. Additionally, the scum reads against him feel automatic and lazy which makes me think he's mislynch material
You actually got a line of thinking from the Worm!?!
I’m feeling better about Brie and am thinking Ank may have been right about scum pushing her as easy lynchbait. While many of her posts seem fencesittery, there’s a genuineness about them, is isn’t likely to come from scum.
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Post Post #2158 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:52 am

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In post 2154, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 2066, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that
yo maybe this is the scum team
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?
This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am
What isn’t true? The scumteam can’t all be ladies or all gents and with a 9-8 ratio of gents-ladies, don’t you think 2 scum gents-1 scum lady, makes the most sense?
I mean the "all can't be one gender" thing. Pretty sure in past games FG has said it's possible.
I think Firebringer has the best track record of being in them so Fire can you back me up?
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Post Post #2159 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:57 am

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I don't see anything in the rules to suggest that the scum can't all be one gender.
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Post Post #2160 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:58 am

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In post 2074, Moment wrote:Felt like catching up from where I posted last time in-between reading back.

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In post 1679, Ankamius wrote:Am I weird for still kinda not wanting to partner up at all still
Explain to me why, again? From my relatively non-caught-up uninformed perspective, it seems you'd just be doing what Karmeleon did in Witches' Halloween Ball, not pairing out of some kind of principle, losing town out on a pairing.

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In post 1662, Moment wrote:Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.
I have not so fond memories of you hard tunneling me in Minuet.
I'm going to copy exactly what I wrote about this subject in Forgotten Hourglass here and kindly request that you never again imply that I tunneled you in that game.

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In post 638, Moment wrote:
In post 633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked her comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.
1) No, I wasn't.

2) Using that as a reason to not believe me here is a logical fallacy.

3) Scum can be right about something just as easily as town can.
I actually want to expand on this because - and I really mean you no offense - Nancy is so wrong that it deserves far more words devoted to the subject.

1) No, I wasn't "beyond convinced" that you were scum in Minuet's trio. In fact, multiple times I expressed the opinion that, although I was not yet convinced that you were as town as others seemed to believe, I was more than willing to look elsewhere because there were scumreads that I were more confident on. This isn't an argument. It's not something that you can
possibly
dispute. It's literally the words that I wrote.

Speaking of those scumreads that I was more confident on, one of them happened to be Ginngie; so
even if
the idea that my reads from Minuet's Trio were reason to disregard my logic in this game, you're ignoring my reads that were
correct.


2) Your response to my entire line of reasoning was "well, you were wrong here". This is a logical fallacy. That's not to say that I'm entirely disregarding the concept of looking at someone's long-run read accuracy; however, not only is that not what you're doing, but on a case-by-case basis that wouldn't even apply here, especially given your massive sample size of one game (one game that, I might add, you selectively choose a misrepresented incorrect read from while ignoring a correct one).

If you want to directly refute what I said regarding Maria's pocketing of you, I would love that. If you want to just say "eh, I'm not convinced", I wouldn't really enjoy that, but on some level I could still understand it. Please don't insult me by responding to me with something like this.

3) This part doesn't really need that many words; if you think that agreeing with someone on a comment like "policy lynches are bad", an obvious comment on a wagon that's destined to go nowhere, or something to the same effect is a reason to townread someone - well then, perhaps you aren't so difficult to pocket as you think.


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In post 1729, Ankamius wrote:So yeah

I am starting to think it's better to have 2 ladies sit out than to deal with risking vedith being scum or a yolobomber

It cuts the first dance still, but it is a lot less risk and it's easier to plan around than just no lynching and trying to solve the game with the 4 extra players since we can force a large group of scummy and useless players to leave
I'm not sure I agree with the principle of this. Does it make sense to completely avoid a mechanic simply because of the chance of the worst case scenario occurring?

In any case, I somewhat doubt that 2 ladies would even agree to sit out, apart from yourself obviously. If they did up until the end, it would almost certainly indicate that they were town in the first place, anyways. Is it worth it to kill two near-assuredly town ladies and three unknown gentlemen simply to avoid the worst case scenario?

Would it even make a difference between that number of people sitting out and scum quicklynching, in terms of the number of people dead?
A) I agree with you that any ladies, willing to sit out of the dance are more likely to be town than scum, so probably not the best idea.

B) I didn’t say it (however you want to define it) made you scummy. I said, I didn’t think our playstyles wouldn’t mesh well together. Prove me wrong.
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Post Post #2161 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:02 am

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I wolfread SS.

I feel bad about alibae :(
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Post Post #2162 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:05 am

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ur reads are bad and u should feel bad rc.
unless ur scum.

then don't feel bad
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Post Post #2163 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:07 am

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You know I kinda feel like you thought I townread you for general abrasiveness in our last game and are playing up that abrasiveness in this game because it wasn't present in the last dance and you think that it's how I read you?
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Post Post #2164 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:08 am

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In post 2075, Moment wrote:I think both Vedith and Ankamius show themselves town from the discussion on page 73.

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In post 1850, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1844, Ankamius wrote:Nancy what do your reads look like now
Nancy
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This readslist seems to me to correlate very strongly with thread presence (with highest presence being towniest and vice versa), which I find concerning.

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In post 1853, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:However, that still leaves 1 of you unpartnered. So, I think maybe DT? If it wasn’t for our disastrous pairing in MU Lovers’ game, I would seriously consider him but we clashed in that - not anywhere as much as I’d probably clash with Moment, however.
A few people have mentioned this at this point, and I have to say something about it. I don't get the idea of "clashing" with a neighborhood partner. Certainly it's ideal to have a neighborhood with someone whom you feel you can solve the game with, but my view coming into the game was simply to pair with someone whom I could be absolutely certain was town. It's a part of the reason why I don't particularly want to scumread you – signing up for this game, in the back of my mind was the idea that if you were obviously town very soon I could just pair with you and be done with it.
I had Gamma previously much higher on my list but I can’t move her up until she A) explains her reasoning for how this setup is more beneficial to town than the previous one. B) Why she mentioned you specifically, in her scumread on me. C) I need to see more of her reads.
Do you truly believe that Gamma's mentioning of Ankamius specifically in is meaningful?
A) I don’t see why you would find an early, off the cuff readslist concerning, even if it was “based on thread presence”, which I don’t even necessarily agree with. Reads change and mine are fluid. So, I see nothing wrong with that.

B) As far as the pairing up part, this is further evidence why we shouldn’t pair up together. I think it’s best I be paired with a partner I work well with and based on meta, that wouldn’t be you or DT. I’m sorry you don’t get this. :/

C) You don’t find it “meaningful”? Why not? I didn’t single out Ank and I don’t recall anyone scumreading me for doing that, so I don’t understand why you’re asking me that.
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Post Post #2165 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:10 am

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At this point my partner choices are Taly/ND I think
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Post Post #2166 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:10 am

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In post 2163, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know I kinda feel like you thought I townread you for general abrasiveness in our last game and are playing up that abrasiveness in this game because it wasn't present in the last dance and you think that it's how I read you?
I was joking with my last post. do u think I am being abrasive here to u rn?
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Post Post #2167 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:11 am

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In post 2080, Moment wrote:TheBrie I also townread.

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In post 1865, Taly wrote:x-x All of my ended games from 2018 to 2019 have told me I'm... a bit easy to pocket or I townread someone too quickly.
I'm inclined to townread this.

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In post 1867, RadiantCowbells wrote:Mechanically I think pairing Drew is optimal rn
Mind elaborating on your thought process there? Of course, I already understand that you townread her – it seems like you're getting at something deeper, however.

Are you referring to yourself pairing with Nancy?

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In post 1895, Dr Worm wrote:
In post 1875, Krazy wrote:Ok I reread Worm's iso now that I'm like 60% sure of his main and I'm still not sure but I'm not sure I entirely want him in my bottom two, and if I'm redoing my bottom males entirely then I should be thinking about DT anyway.

If Worm doesn't want to survive intermission I am not strongly opposed to him suicide bombing a scum lady although Alisae will probably say I'm scum for mentioning it--but I'm just being real here, Dance 2 will probably be hectic AF and my impression right now is that he doesn't want to replace out but can't keep up with the game while still giving informed reads.

@Worm is that what's going on with that last post?
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DR WORM knows it"s NOT BEST FOR TOWN if WORM is INNOCENT CHILI!! So WORM DIES before INTERMISSONS..
Ouch.

Sad that such a towny thought has to come from someone very likely to die.
What’s “sad”, is that Worm refuses to change his posting style to prevent this from happening. :roll:
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Post Post #2168 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:11 am

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In post 2166, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2163, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know I kinda feel like you thought I townread you for general abrasiveness in our last game and are playing up that abrasiveness in this game because it wasn't present in the last dance and you think that it's how I read you?
I was joking with my last post. do u think I am being abrasive here to u rn?
To me not necessarily more wrt the spat between you and Nancy Drew and several others. I could be wrong. Initial impression this game was town for all the above reasons but I do still have some concern that you knew I'd townread you for that.
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Post Post #2169 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:12 am

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Nothing to add.
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #2170 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:13 am

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ive never thought u read me for abrasiveness. I thought u would townread me for my frustration while trying to solve games. Which I don't think I have hit in this game so I don't expect a townread from u at all.
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Post Post #2171 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:14 am

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I guess my spat with u about Nancy was very townie frustration but I guess me pointing that out negates it by me recognizing it.meh
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Post Post #2172 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:14 am

Post by Nancy Drew 39 »

In post 2087, Krazy wrote:Hi Something_Smart!

your predecessor claimed miller before she replaced out, would you like to confirm that roleclaim?
What?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Krazy, you’re so bad. :lol:

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Please pick me. <3
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Post Post #2173 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:16 am

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In post 2172, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Krazy, you’re so bad.
Do you think anyone would ever fall for this?
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #2174 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:16 am

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shit now I have a townread on u.
and u could have made all that shit up I know it. but my gut says town. ALGKHALJL.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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