Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm gonna wait for deimos and klick to say their peace and once that happens i'm voting pooky because D&D is giving me a brain aneurysm trying to argue that pooky is town and if we just eliminate pooky we can immediately clarify that yes pooky is scum and move on with our lives to more productive discussions

if I was scum I would've shot you last night

[Wug]

okay i read
still want to execute pooky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

see she doesn't make sense as my scumbuddy at all

[Alduskkel]

ssshhhh there's no need for scum to speak

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but I'm town

[Alduskkel]

it's a scumslip because town don't "plan" on getting someone eliminated

only scum would think of themselves as "planning" an elimination

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I laid out my plan on how to win with a wug scumflip on D1 -

Who are you suggesting friend? i get the Wug scumread (to be fair I think we all do) but that doesn't solve our problem

if wug flips scum - we go into tommorrow with 7 alive, 2 confirmed townies(assuming mafia kill 1 of the 3 clears) so we have 3 lynches to find 1 scum out of 5.

I'm willing to say that Koba probably didn't sacrifice their scumbuddy Wug as a gambit - so let's say that clears Koba,

we are left with myself, sleeper, clover and klick. If you can clear Sleeper because the Sleeper/Tuxedo interaction earlier in D1 - then we are left with 3 lynches and 3 possible scum for the wagon - hence enough for our solve - assuming we were correct to clear sleeper/koba.

This all hinges on Wugs being scum.

[Datisi]

Vote count 2.05

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-07-16 13:15:00).

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PookyTheMagicalBear [2]:

Klick, DonCorleone

Klick [1]:

Dumb and Dumber

not voting [4]:

Alduskkel, PookyTheMagicalBear, Wug, Deimos27

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[Klick]

Please vote Pooky DC. I will absolutely BoP it if it's wrong.

Klick would you still do this?

Catching up, answering this while I'm here: no lol, I wouldn't accept my own lynch at LyLo. I was ready to die if Pooky flipped town yesterday so that people would stop pushing Clover tomorrow. I also wanted to do whatever I could to execute someone that might actually be scum yesterday.

[Klick]

Yes, it’s obviously inevitable which means why is klick not bothering to set up for that fight at all? Whereas if you /know/ pooky is town then you pocketing him (or trying to) by defending him and already starting work on a klick!scum narrative makes sense to me

Klick doesn't want to fight me because he wants to rush today to a finish. The more fighting he does today the worse he looks tomorrow after I flip town.

I thought you were leaning towards me not being scum?

[Klick]

Pooky and DnD BOTH have this pattern of saying 'no I can't be scum because of X really weak reason' that bothers me deeply
I've been fairly consistent about the main reason I don't make sense as scum here

[Klick]

Who do you think we should be lynching today anyway pooky?

I was initially thinking lynch DnD because I thought he was setting up for a fight with Klick but with the amount of effort he's putting in to prevent my lynch now I think it's more likely that Klick is the bad guy here trying to rush the day.

Looooool.
Put this next to his stance on me hard-defending Clover.

[Klick]

D&D opener reads town for not really having any game context. Scum!D&D at least reads the scum PT and gets stuff from that.

Also what kind of read is this?

We literally already had this conversation

[Klick]

I mean what's our plan? Gaslight you and another townie into voting klick - he dies flips town - then tommorrow we wake up with DnD/Me alive grinning like idiots and guaranteed to get lynched? What type of play is that?

Here it is again

No, what happens here is you'd get executed tomorrow, and then Wug still exists in LyLo. This is the same reasoning you used to lightly push the idea that you shouldn't be lynched today earlier.

Kinda starting to think it is just both of them; and if it isn't then I'm only really seeing Wug out-of-coalition

[Klick]

I'm kinda starting to get the feeling that Pooky is lynchbait

Besides Wug doesn't even make sense as my partner - I was planning on getting her lynched initially with Koba back when the Coalition first failed.

Scumslip?

'Getting her executed' does imply a scum mindset but I'm not convinced this isn't something Pooky!town would also say fwiw

[Klick]

So question for the people saying Pooky can't be scum because he didn't hammer Koba:

You don't seem to townread Aldus. Why didn't he hammer Koba? I remember explicitly asking him to.

[Klick]

this game is wild,

when I'm convinced koba is scum nobody believes me, but now I'm convinced he's town and everyone thinks he's scum.

I must be really off or something.

Also here's Pooky posturing and leaving open the possibility of hammering Koba later if he feels like he can get away with it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe you should look at the other posts i made when he was at L-1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is wild,

when I'm convinced koba is scum nobody believes me, but now I'm convinced he's town and everyone thinks he's scum.

I must be really off or something.

Also here's Pooky posturing and leaving open the possibility of hammering Koba later if he feels like he can get away with it

this is a very unfair snapshot - if you look at my other posts after this it is quite clear I am against a Koba lynch and not pivoting to vote him.

[Klick]

maybe you should look at the other posts i made when he was at L-1

you mean the ones after that when you've decided how you're going to handle the situation? you had over 6 hours to think about what to do after that post

[Klick]

If clover was town - why would he remove himself from contention? the move doesn't really make sense from either POV

Clover has already given his reasoning and while I don't think it's optimal, I think it's valid and conceivable that he wanted to do it as town.
Tl;dr seems to be that he didn't think he was townread enough and so he wanted to avoid muddying the waters by being a mostly null-read in the coalition.

Why am I getting the feeling that you really want Clover to be on the table as an option, more than you actually believe Clover is scum?

I also think Chemist's play is pretty town so far.

I will join a wagon on Sleeper or Pooky to get a lynch today. I'm trying to work out which I prefer.

This series of quotes makes the change of opinion on Pooky yesterday pretty clear

@DnD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So question for the people saying Pooky can't be scum because he didn't hammer Koba:

You don't seem to townread Aldus. Why didn't he hammer Koba? I remember explicitly asking him to.

It's not clear at all aldus is your scumpartner, your initial premise is faulty.

Also you framed me as scum who was desperate to pull off one mislynch - aldus wouldnt be in that position because he is not in the coalition and no scum was even close to getting lynched yesterday since all 3 wagons that came close to lynch - me koba clover were of townies - means the scum are very well hidden and
didnt feel pressure at all yesterday.

[Klick]

Tl;dr seems to be that he didn't think he was townread enough and so he wanted to avoid muddying the waters by being a mostly null-read in the coalition.

Regardless of how optimal this might be, can you see this as a plausible town thought process Pooky?
What do you think of the rest of my town case on Clover?

Does Clover read as the type of player who makes the nonsensical play in the position he was in?
'It's possible Clover made a Hail Mary' isn't very convincing to me

Especially in what would be his first scum game on site
And when the play he has represented in this game could not really be called 'aggressive play' by any stretch of the imagination

Also Pooky just straight-up ignored this when I posted it to continue pushing Clover

[Klick]

So question for the people saying Pooky can't be scum because he didn't hammer Koba:

You don't seem to townread Aldus. Why didn't he hammer Koba? I remember explicitly asking him to.

It's not clear at all aldus is your scumpartner, your initial premise is faulty.

Except the premise isn't 'thinking that Aldus is clearly Klick's partner'. It's 'townreading Pooky but not Aldus'.

Also you framed me as scum who was desperate to pull off one mislynch -

After the Koba wagon dissolved and you were a serious option for a wagon. That's some important context.

aldus wouldnt be in that position because he is not in the coalition and no scum was even close to getting lynched yesterday since all 3 wagons that came close to lynch - me koba clover were of townies - means the scum are very well hidden and
didnt feel pressure at all yesterday.

You weren't under pressure when you didn't hammer Koba.

[Dumb and Dumber]

Finally some action, although I'm afraid I'll be busy today.

-Dumbass