DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[Bell]

Thanks.
I'm mentally exhausted, so it's taking a bit.

[superbowl9]

Oil, Guillo, Flea?

Now THAT is scary

[Guillotina]

Ok, I'm off work. Let's do this.

Oil, Guillo, Flea?

I don't like it. I'm town, Flea is on top of my list and Oil is higher than Firebringer, You, Dunnstral, Sugar Cain and Superbowl in my PoE.

Any other options?

Also, people need to stop using consensus town read as a reason for someone to be town.

Why? What's wrong with a group of players coming to an agreement that a player must be town? Bias? Can't be, we townread Noraa for independent reasons or at least I do.
So what is it? are you threatened by consensus?

[superbowl9]

Oh lord oil is actually bad live

[Guillotina]

mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

This was me coming in with 14 hours left or something and placing down a vote, following bell and also mastina looked to be making stuff up on their read on me

I still don't know why the rest followed onto mastina

Let's ask them.

@Oil @superbowl @Battle Mage

Why did you?

[Guillotina]

Oh lord oil is actually bad live

Why? Give me something other than vague commentary for once.

[Firebringer]

I don't think Firebringer's dumb enough to roleplay Mr. Satan when he's got a global loud roleblock that spews Mr. Satan quotes, though.

I am definitely dumb enough to do that thing u think i wouldn't be dumb enough to do sir.

My stupidity has no limits.

[Guillotina]

I'm incredibly torn on the oil slot and my read there is bouncing back and forth like a metronome on 208BPM and I want to see the reaction there to this push.

aka wait til Guillo comes back to push me to avoid taking a stance.

Yeah, it's Oil, Guillo, and Flea.

Locked in.

Ha! I had missed this! What the hell is this! I almost begged Gamma to town up and he never did! You had the opportunity to sub in and town up for him and what you did? You tried to push my top reads and paint them as scum painting me as their scum partner and you townread those in my PoE! And now you are saying that I'm pushing you to avoid taking a stance? What stance is that?

I work 12 hour shifts but if I'm not online, leave your posts here. I'll get to them.

[Flea The Magician]

amusing ain't it, I ain't the only one with highly volatile reads.

Gotta admit, I'm feeling the BM vibe on this one... which kinda makes things worse. BM is lockscum to me... yet having seen the reads of Finral shift as they have there's literally no progression there...

[Battle Mage]

if Finral is FL I'll give a bit more leeway. Doing Oil first anyway.

[Finral]

Gohan as a universal back up and Vegeta as a desperado is very on point tho.

Also Yamcha as Vanilla

[Finral]

Any other options?

Yeah, I gave a POE of 6 earlier.

[Finral]

Why do you keep focusing on my posts like my other posts don't exist? You did that with kookie as well.

[Finral]

Why do you keep focusing on my posts like my other posts don't exist? You did that with kookie as well.

my posts about Kookie *

[Finral]

we townread Noraa for independent reasons or at least I do

what are these reasons?

[Finral]

yet having seen the reads of Finral shift as they have there's literally no progression there...

throwing the noodles at the wall, seeing if they stick

[Finral]

Kind of okay with Bell right now.

Still think I'm on the money with Oil, Flea, Guillo. I could be wrong on one of Flea/Guillo, I don't think I'm wrong in both. Flea is skirting around the situation and was fence sitting Oil, and all their posts have been indirectly helping Oil, like the "reads of Finral shift as they have no progression" which is actually factually incorrect because I had my POE 6 earlier, and they haven't really changed. I start to move pieces around in the team, sure, but it almost seems like "he nailed all of us but he's just blowing smoke!"

Guillo is trying hard to discredit my reads rather than try to show me they are town.

Oil speaks for itself with the way they're coming after me. They're the 3 trying to take me down right now. Everyone else is completely just like "what's happening, waaaaah? meh finral could be right. Might as well." and that's townie to me because they really don't know.

The list of players I think are included in that are Firebringer, Battle Mage, Superbowl, and now Bell. I believe all 4 of them to be town for those reasons.

Dunnstral I've explained why I think is town, I actually liked how they were in Day 1 when Mastina was calling them scummy. Mastina had a list of players she thought was scum, Oil, Dunnstral, and someone else, I'll go check in a minute, but I don't believe Mastina wasn't right somewhere. If all her reads were wrong, it wouldn't matter to kill her still because she could just be killed later after she would misfade.


Guillo is pushing a bunch of "hey, go do this for me!" questions, and they're all defending Guillo indirectly. They stuck on my push of Kookie, which I was happy to call Kookie town after a while, I saw they were a consensus town read, and that's why I got pinged there initially, amongst not reading their posts as AI, just personality. After diving into it more, Kookie was townie to me. I read more.

Flea saying my reads have no progression doesn't make sense, because I feel I was pretty clear about going from scumreading Kookie to town reading them, and I like the reasoning of everyone town reading, the people who were actively town reading not passively have scum in them because yes, scum are obviously going to town read Nornor.

Guillo 2157 This seems like you're mad that I replaced into a slot you had setup to be a miselim, and ruined your plans because I'm town reading the players you are trying to keep in the miselim.

Also, I believe I'm only doing this with Superbowl, so I don't understand the exaggeration. Superbowl is in my POE as well, so this is a major overreaction, either alignment. I don't know if it's on purpose, it seems somewhat genuine, but it could be genuine no matter what.

[Finral]

I have two more pages to read, but I am relatively in shock that anybody could read me as scum ever this game.

Also, scum reads out of line with majority -> Higher chance of being town ->Higher chance of being miseliminated for having against the grain reads.

I would like Finral to lay out why he thinks I'm scum this game.

Mastina wagon and POE, mixed in with my catchup not liking some of your posts. You became in the POE because of it, and really it was just that. That's why I'm decently okay to town read you, and if we ever get the chance to talk directly, I feel like I would be able to figure it out. Anyways, you're like 4th-5th on the POE totem pole is all, and really, it's a positioning thing. I don't expect all the scum to have been positioned in a way where they were on the same side the whole game. This goes out the window a bit because if I'm right with Oil, Flea, and Guillo, then they have to turn and discredit me.

You haven't tried to do this and actively are here to want my reasonings rather than push "Finral no progression! Finral blind!"

[Finral]

After diving into it more, Kookie was townie to me

I also misread hydra posts early on which confused me.

[Finral]

Rereading the beginning of the game, I mostly skimmed over it, Guillo early is OMGUS'ing Bell, and really doing that question thing to the max. It's very much "do this for me you townie peasant".

It's page 3 and they are pushing Bell for trusting a gut feeling. On page 3. Battle Mage came in and said the same thing. This was a disruption post.



Dunnstral post is an early game gut ping vote on Guillo.

Ahhhh Oil is also disrupting the town read on Noraa. This could explain why Guillo is so gung ho about the consensus town read. They tried to disrupt early, but then swung momentum towards it. This was early early game, though, so I won't use this against Oil too much, this is more of a case for ScumGuillo after Oil flips scum.


Titus and Mastina both pushed some suspicion towards Oil at times. This is very good to see.

First post to give me pause against Oil being scum.

Thing is, if Oil was town, I feel like they'd have gotten more votes on them.

I still like Flea-Oil atm

Awesome.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

More awesome. Oil quoting a post with potentially both scum members, and commenting on one. This saves Guillo from having to comment towards BM at face value.

yeah this feels like flea-scum. very self-conscious and inward-looking analysis; big post mostly fluff

This post in particular.
What about his posting is self-conscious, inward looking analysis?

Doesn't mesh with what he's actually posted.

Followed by more defense of Flea. This is when Flea is pushing BM as well, and actively discredits BM and halts momentum. It seems like they've been halting momentum from the very beginning of the game.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

What? where? What are you serving? I only drink Vodka.

"I need to respond, but not make any stances on Flea through this post."

I'm really happy with the solve right now.

[Finral]

Oil's essentially been daddyscum to Guillo/Flea all game, and like that's the best reason to see they're the scum team.

[Finral]

And if I'm just dead wrong

[Flea The Magician]

I love getting a bite when I go fishing.

Flea saying my reads have no progression doesn't make sense, because I feel I was pretty clear about going from scumreading Kookie to town reading them, and I like the reasoning of everyone town reading, the people who were actively town reading not passively have scum in them because yes, scum are obviously going to town read Nornor.

The only read of yours which is volatile and shifty is on me

*Moves behind Finral and flicks them to the town side of the ring*

Yeet.

[superbowl9]

mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

This was me coming in with 14 hours left or something and placing down a vote, following bell and also mastina looked to be making stuff up on their read on me

I still don't know why the rest followed onto mastina

Let's ask them.

@Oil @superbowl @Battle Mage

Why did you?

I said it when I put my vote

[Guillotina]

Why do you keep focusing on my posts like my other posts don't exist? You did that with kookie as well.

What other posts? Why should i not focus on the posts that give me bad vibes? What posts of yours do you recommend focusing on and why?