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petapan wrote:

In post 2127, Taly wrote:Every reply from peta in this dialogue chain pings me more than the previous.

1934 sounds like challenging Dwlee's read on Infinity but 1935 throws me off from this idea because peta's focus shifts from defending Infinity to being scumread based off the idea Dwlee is town...

But Dwlee seems more closely in peta's PoE than not, so why set an expectation that Dwlee must be town for him to avoid scrutiny? The framing of the situation doesn't make sense to me and possibly informed. So I figured the post was self-conscious in the interest of peta's defense, not Infinity's. Which is a weird stance to take for town who disagrees with another townread being suspected.

The 1938 post does nothing to sway me from my above thought process. Why would peta be concerned with "down-the-line" when the setup was very unclear? Sure, he could be mislim bait, but there doesn't seem to be a binary elimination setup so far, so this post reads more of just "stop paying attention to me" more than "I don't want to be misunderstood."

And when Galron actually calls him out on this, the aggression in 2025 feels very disproportional to the situation. If peta wasn't worried about being viewed as informed (in the idea that he actually wasn't), why does he spend energy trying to dismiss and antagonize someone he already scumreads? It reads in bad faith, and by this point, I've lost trust in most of peta's intention in the dialogue tree.

taly respectfully this is hot nonsense and if you believe i'm an optimal kill over any of the people not playing it would be an absolute atrocity, especially when the case for me being scum here is so incredibly tenuous

preflip associatives are just awful to use and will lead you down a false path a majority of the time

first point: i wanted dwlee to elaborate on his scumread of infinity. "tonal read" is a really silly reason to be scumreading someone that deep into the game, but it also gives me nothing to work with. i didn't bother pressing him to elaborate, because i do not actually care what the reasoning behind a "tonal read" over 1000 posts into the game is. truthfully, him giving such a crappy explanation is probably +town but iwouldn't hang my hat on that

i already adressed the "down the line" point. it is nonsensical.

how the you read that exchange with galron and conclude

I'M

the one acting in bad faith, i have absolutely no idea

In post 2140, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: ydrasse

In post 2141, Infinity 324 wrote:i don't think we should really be worried too much about galron/ydrasse wanting to vote themselves, if they're scum there's a good chance they're just trying to make it seem like they want to be voted. it's unlikely the duel is actually a good thing

In post 2142, Toogeloo wrote:Why did Gamma shoot Cephrir instead of shoot Galron again?

In post 2153, Ydrasse wrote:what if i told you the last game i played as town was more or less this

In post 2162, petapan wrote:

In post 2153, Ydrasse wrote:what if i told you the last game i played as town was more or less this

i would tell you i explicitly do not care, because the fact that you can play like this as town does not mean that playing like this makes you town

and i have no reason to not want to kill you over who actually care about solving the game

In post 2160, Taly wrote:Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

In post 2156, Ydrasse wrote:fwiw i would vote infinity here to die in a normal game because she was actually in that last game where my motivation drained to the point i was actively trying tog et killed to not be a liability in endgame + she's saying that there's like, a bar i need to meet or something i think (?)

which is like... what. you just saw me throw the bar to the ground and you arent factoring that in

In post 2164, Ydrasse wrote:

In post 2162, petapan wrote:

In post 2153, Ydrasse wrote:what if i told you the last game i played as town was more or less this

i would tell you i explicitly do not care, because the fact that you can play like this as town does not mean that playing like this makes you town

and i have no reason to not want to kill you over who actually care about solving the game

okay next question

do you think ppl are ~actively scummier~ than me?

absence of towntelling =/= scumming and ive only seen "slightly scummy"

In post 2165, petapan wrote:

In post 2160, Taly wrote:Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

taly respectfully look at these two points and try to tell me what alignment you think we're supposed to be voting here

In post 2160, Taly wrote:Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

In post 1057, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 1052, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1042, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 1037, Ydrasse wrote:Tbf shiki was coming from an informed perspective with something to latch onto + more content (the callers)

i could see this for sure

gamma actually can you go back and iso her in student council? i think there's quite a difference in her engagement level even from here, plus there's a proactiveness she has here that she didn't there

now I'm not sure

what

to think because she felt more alive in student council looking at her ISO again than she does this game

+town imo, now i need to go back and read though cause i remember the exact opposite

In post 1940, Infinity 324 wrote:like maybe the scumteam is dunn/galron/ydrasse/ceph but probably not right

idk who i should be looking at that i'm not

In post 2037, Infinity 324 wrote:ydrasse often just doesn't really play as town too

In post 2140, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: ydrasse

In post 2141, Infinity 324 wrote:i don't think we should really be worried too much about galron/ydrasse wanting to vote themselves, if they're scum there's a good chance they're just trying to make it seem like they want to be voted. it's unlikely the duel is actually a good thing

In post 2166, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 2156, Ydrasse wrote:fwiw i would vote infinity here to die in a normal game because she was actually in that last game where my motivation drained to the point i was actively trying tog et killed to not be a liability in endgame + she's saying that there's like, a bar i need to meet or something i think (?)

which is like... what. you just saw me throw the bar to the ground and you arent factoring that in

never said anything about a bar? i just like, think it's +scum for you to be demotivated still, and i don't have any other scumreads, and you didn't seem like you were gonna make yourself readable anytime soon

if you are then great

In post 2169, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 2160, Taly wrote:Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

i think it's more likely that the duel is bad and galron/ydrasse are scum who are trying to make town second-guess voting them than they're scum who know the duel is good and want to get in as a result

In post 2168, Taly wrote:

In post 2165, petapan wrote:

In post 2160, Taly wrote:Why give scum any power here, though? If they're better informed than town and STILL want to be voted, why feed into that goal?

And if they're town, why risk town eliminations?

taly respectfully look at these two points and try to tell me what alignment you think we're supposed to be voting here

Scum, of course. But why scum under the notion that they'd want it? It seems like a contrast of interest.

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In post 2171, Ydrasse wrote:what makes you come to this conclusion...?