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Post Post #2175 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:11 pm

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also it's really funny that we're at -1 three hours after the day opens.
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Post Post #2176 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:17 pm

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i think that someone on this wagon is being
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Post Post #2177 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:20 pm

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EXAKT Science wrote:hmm, nice attempt to set up a chainlynch, friend :)

Well, it's either pasch Today, or Bulba Today and Pasch Tomorrow.
EXAKT Science wrote:also it's really funny that we're at -1 three hours after the day opens.

To be fair, we're just continuing where we were interrupted Yesterday.
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Post Post #2178 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:21 pm

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KittyCupCake wrote:
EXAKT Science wrote:hmm, nice attempt to set up a chainlynch, friend :)

Well, it's either pasch Today, or Bulba Today and Pasch Tomorrow.
EXAKT Science wrote:also it's really funny that we're at -1 three hours after the day opens.

To be fair, we're just continuing where we were interrupted Yesterday.

it could also be you tomorrow. hell, it could be me, or anyone else tomorrow! saying that we only have two lynch options is scummy!
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Post Post #2179 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:37 pm

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That's L-1? Bulba, claaaaaaaaaaim please
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Post Post #2181 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:54 pm

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EXAKT Science wrote:saying that we only have two lynch options is scummy!

Well, there's probably only those two scum left, so that's where I'd prefer we aim the lynches.
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Post Post #2182 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:57 pm

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KittyCupCake wrote:
EXAKT Science wrote:saying that we only have two lynch options is scummy!

Well, there's probably only those two scum left, so that's where I'd prefer we aim the lynches.

the level of certainty you have that you have both scum tagged is not something I'd expect from a townie.
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Post Post #2183 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:17 pm

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EXAKT Science wrote:the level of certainty you have that you have both scum tagged is not something I'd expect from a townie.

That's only because you don't know me. But I'm only like 50-50 on Bulba anyway.
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Post Post #2184 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:21 pm

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alright, well then who's scum?
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Post Post #2185 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:37 pm

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like, if you're only 50-50 on him, why are you willing to push him to -1 so soon after the day opens? that doesn't make any sense, coming from a townie. why would you be willing to do that unless you were scum, or are bussing?
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Post Post #2186 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:39 pm

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well you would have to be scum to be bussing but my point stands.
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Post Post #2187 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:04 pm

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Hey anybody want to switch to KCC? Her recent posts are giving me ~vibes~, and I'm getting a serious scum read from her right now.
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Post Post #2188 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:12 pm

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We've got plenty of time to switch back to bulba if this doesn't pan out, but I really don't like KCC. Day 1, she was chummy with Pine, and he said he had a weak scum read on her, but nothing serious and nothing that he voted on. She also attacked TW, calling them scummy in a way that didn't feel totally organic to me, which reads to me as opportunism. That, plus her posts now, where she says she's only 50-50 on bulba while being totally willing to take him to -1 two weeks out from deadline, which is hedgy as hell and not something I'd ever expect to see from a townie.
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Post Post #2189 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:27 pm

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EXAKT Science wrote:alright, well then who's scum?

Def pasch and probably Bulba,
maybe
NM, much less maybe DS.
EXAKT Science wrote:like, if you're only 50-50 on him, why are you willing to push him to -1 so soon after the day opens? that doesn't make any sense, coming from a townie. why would you be willing to do that unless you were scum, or are bussing?

We're almost exactly where we were Yesterday, to the point where I'm looking at this as Day 2 Part 2, post-intermission. The flips we've gotten since then are unsurprising and don't add much info that affect Today's decision/would've affected Yesterday's. I'd greatly prefer pasch, but I'm done banging my head against that wall for now, especially since he has to have a partner. Of the other options, Bulba is the most likely, more so now since TW voted Bulba quickly D2 and outright called him scum, which
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have been a result. (But even if it wasn't, Bulba is the next best lynch by far.)
EXAKT Science wrote:We've got plenty of time to switch back to bulba if this doesn't pan out, but I really don't like KCC. Day 1, she was chummy with Pine, and he said he had a weak scum read on her, but nothing serious and nothing that he voted on. She also attacked TW, calling them scummy in a way that didn't feel totally organic to me, which reads to me as opportunism. That, plus her posts now, where she says she's only 50-50 on bulba while being totally willing to take him to -1 two weeks out from deadline, which is hedgy as hell and not something I'd ever expect to see from a townie.

Seriously? I went at TW for all of 10 minutes and it was more out of annoyance than a scum read.
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Post Post #2190 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:38 pm

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the TW thing is one of the most minor points in that case. care to address the rest of them? especially the bit about your 50-50 comment. like why even say that if you're voting someone to -1 unless you want to distance yourself?
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Post Post #2191 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:51 pm

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EXAKT Science wrote:the TW thing is one of the most minor points in that case. care to address the rest of them?

Regarding pine, there's not much to say. I was reading him as fairly town for most of the Day. Why he did what he did, I don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say he was probably subtly encouraging my lynch at some point, and leaving himself an opening to jump on if it became favorable to do so, but didn't out of not wanting too many scum on that wagon since pasch was pushing me. He did end up (briefly) jumping on me for BS later though.

EXAKT Science wrote:especially the bit about your 50-50 comment. like why even say that if you're voting someone to -1 unless you want to distance yourself?

Because that's where I am on Bulba.
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Post Post #2192 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:52 pm

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50-50 are pretty good odds on a lynch, BTW.
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Post Post #2193 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:55 pm

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Doubleslap wrote:also wtf tw
pretty sure he got a guilty on bulba but why get yourself modkilled like. wow. claim your result as it is before dying next time so it's not ambiguous


Looked over TW's later posts. Where did you see a cop result?

EXAKT Science wrote:the level of certainty you have that you have both scum tagged is not something I'd expect from a townie.


Cuz she obviously isn't town. But despite her constantly throwing up signs, nobody wants to lynch her. I don't get it at all.

KittyCupCake wrote:We're almost exactly where we were Yesterday, to the point where I'm looking at this as Day 2 Part 2, post-intermission.


This isn't even a little bit true. Mastin and TW were two of the most contentious players and were consistently near the tops of many scumlists. The only reason to pretend that this information doesn't matter is if someone is trying to keep town from considering this and seeing what to glean from their reads and what to disregard. Quicklynching without thinking, especially based on earlier reads with less information, absolutely benefits scum.

The flips we've gotten since then are unsurprising and don't add much info that affect Today's decision/would've affected Yesterday's.


I was certainly surprised. But then again, I don't already know everyone's alignment. I guess it's hard to fake what should or should not be surprising to people who don't start the game knowing all the scum.

Of the other options, Bulba is the most likely, more so now since TW voted Bulba quickly D2 and outright called him scum, which
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have been a result. (But even if it wasn't, Bulba is the next best lynch by far.)


The only reason not to outright claim is to try to push the lynch and not out oneself to avoid a night kill. TW was a one-shot cop. There was no night ability to protect. This guilty read on Bulba presumption is clearly a lie. Kitty's sudden jump to Bulba, after spending the whole game and most of her posts today complaining about me, looks opportunistic as fuck. Joining this wagon, at this stage, with this little amount of past support is absolutely a scum move, especially with trying to get the lynch to happen so quickly so that we don't think about it.

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DOMO wrote:Personally I think notmafia and doubleslap look scummier than pasch, but I realise I'm in the minority here.

you have a case?


Not this side of xmas. Drunk now and V/LA from tomorrow.


I'd like to hear these cases before we end the day. Rather than rush to a lynch, I'd rather some serious deliberation. I'd especially like clarification on why people think that TW claimed a guilty result on Bulba.

KittyCupCake wrote:Regarding pine, there's not much to say. I was reading him as fairly town for most of the Day.


Of course Kitty was townreading her partner.

Seriously, I don't know how this isn't obvious to everyone.

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Post Post #2194 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:40 pm

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Bulbazak wrote:Also, I'm at L-1 and this wagon is extremely scummy. I better see intent before any hammer, or else I swear I will find a way to vengekill that person.

who is scum on this wagon and why are they scum?


Domo is scum for the timing of his pushes and how they always align with me being under heavy suspicion. His reasoning is also nonsensical and just looks like a quick justification for why he's pushing and to show that his reasoning is different from everyone else's. The next scummy person on the wagon is Double, due to their hiding behind TW. After I flip town they can then claim no responsibility, because they were only following up on TW's reads and non-existent guilty.

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I thought I read where it took 4 to lynch. But you're right, given 9 players, it would be 5.

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Bulbazak wrote:How would revealing an investigation result lead to a site ban?


idk but I find it easier to believe that was his concern rather than forgetting he was a pr.


This doesn't make any sense.

DOMO wrote:bulba + one of nm and ds obviously


Okay? Why?

EXAKT Science wrote:also it's really funny that we're at -1 three hours after the day opens.


What does that tell you?

EXAKT Science wrote:Hey anybody want to switch to KCC? Her recent posts are giving me ~vibes~, and I'm getting a serious scum read from her right now.


Kitty's town.

KittyCupCake wrote:50-50 are pretty good odds on a lynch, BTW.


So I'm null. Why are you wanting to lynch a null read over a scum read? I can see if it was the end of the day and you were compromising, but it doesn't make sense at the very beginning of the day when you actually have a strong scum read.

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but I'm not sure how often I'll be able to post during the holiday season. Consider me V/LA until Dec. 29.
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Post Post #2195 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:32 pm

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Post Post #2196 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:46 pm

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Paschendale wrote:
Doubleslap wrote:also wtf tw
pretty sure he got a guilty on bulba but why get yourself modkilled like. wow. claim your result as it is before dying next time so it's not ambiguous


Looked over TW's later posts. Where did you see a cop result?

EXAKT Science wrote:the level of certainty you have that you have both scum tagged is not something I'd expect from a townie.


Cuz she obviously isn't town. But despite her constantly throwing up signs, nobody wants to lynch her. I don't get it at all.

KittyCupCake wrote:We're almost exactly where we were Yesterday, to the point where I'm looking at this as Day 2 Part 2, post-intermission.


This isn't even a little bit true. Mastin and TW were two of the most contentious players and were consistently near the tops of many scumlists. The only reason to pretend that this information doesn't matter is if someone is trying to keep town from considering this and seeing what to glean from their reads and what to disregard. Quicklynching without thinking, especially based on earlier reads with less information, absolutely benefits scum.

The flips we've gotten since then are unsurprising and don't add much info that affect Today's decision/would've affected Yesterday's.


I was certainly surprised. But then again, I don't already know everyone's alignment. I guess it's hard to fake what should or should not be surprising to people who don't start the game knowing all the scum.

Of the other options, Bulba is the most likely, more so now since TW voted Bulba quickly D2 and outright called him scum, which
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have been a result. (But even if it wasn't, Bulba is the next best lynch by far.)


The only reason not to outright claim is to try to push the lynch and not out oneself to avoid a night kill. TW was a one-shot cop. There was no night ability to protect. This guilty read on Bulba presumption is clearly a lie. Kitty's sudden jump to Bulba, after spending the whole game and most of her posts today complaining about me, looks opportunistic as fuck. Joining this wagon, at this stage, with this little amount of past support is absolutely a scum move, especially with trying to get the lynch to happen so quickly so that we don't think about it.

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DOMO wrote:Personally I think notmafia and doubleslap look scummier than pasch, but I realise I'm in the minority here.

you have a case?


Not this side of xmas. Drunk now and V/LA from tomorrow.


I'd like to hear these cases before we end the day. Rather than rush to a lynch, I'd rather some serious deliberation. I'd especially like clarification on why people think that TW claimed a guilty result on Bulba.

KittyCupCake wrote:Regarding pine, there's not much to say. I was reading him as fairly town for most of the Day.


Of course Kitty was townreading her partner.

Seriously, I don't know how this isn't obvious to everyone.

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hmmmm, I like the majority of what you have to say here.

Pasch, if KCC is scum, who is her scumbuddy?
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Post Post #2197 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:11 pm

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Bulbazak wrote:Also, I'm at L-1 and this wagon is extremely scummy. I better see intent before any hammer, or else I swear I will find a way to vengekill that person.

who is scum on this wagon and why are they scum?


Domo is scum for the timing of his pushes and how they always align with me being under heavy suspicion. His reasoning is also nonsensical and just looks like a quick justification for why he's pushing and to show that his reasoning is different from everyone else's. The next scummy person on the wagon is Double, due to their hiding behind TW. After I flip town they can then claim no responsibility, because they were only following up on TW's reads and non-existent guilty.


so your scum reads are the people who are pushing you? why would both of the scum be on you this early in the day?


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I thought I read where it took 4 to lynch. But you're right, given 9 players, it would be 5.

DOMO wrote:
Bulbazak wrote:How would revealing an investigation result lead to a site ban?


idk but I find it easier to believe that was his concern rather than forgetting he was a pr.


This doesn't make any sense.


both of these points read as attempts to generate fake content that still seems like contribution to the game. one of them might well be an honest mistake, but the second is less forgivable. why doesn't it make sense? why are we even bothering to speculate on whether or not TW was concerned with a site ban? does it advance scumhunting? absolutely not!


DOMO wrote:bulba + one of nm and ds obviously


Okay? Why?


okay, this is a very good question to ask. DOMO, please give some reasoning/evidence as to why these are obvious scum reads. why is bulba scum? why is one of nm or ds scum, and do you really care which one it is?


EXAKT Science wrote:also it's really funny that we're at -1 three hours after the day opens.


What does that tell you?


well, partly, I feel like it means people are frustrated by the long deadlines and want to see some action after yesterday's daykill wasn't even a lynch. I do think that one of the votes that ended up on you by the time you were at -1 was a scum, but I'm still unsure as to whether or not they were bussing you.


EXAKT Science wrote:Hey anybody want to switch to KCC? Her recent posts are giving me ~vibes~, and I'm getting a serious scum read from her right now.


Kitty's town.


yeah? why? calling people town like this is dangerous, and arguably even scummy! I'm not willing to accept that Kitty is town just on your word.


KittyCupCake wrote:50-50 are pretty good odds on a lynch, BTW.


So I'm null. Why are you wanting to lynch a null read over a scum read? I can see if it was the end of the day and you were compromising, but it doesn't make sense at the very beginning of the day when you actually have a strong scum read.

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but I'm not sure how often I'll be able to post during the holiday season. Consider me V/LA until Dec. 29.
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Post Post #2198 (ISO) » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:14 pm

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^I also agree with the last point there, but an incapable of executing proper formatting.
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Post Post #2199 (ISO) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:03 am

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EXAKT Science wrote:okay, this is a very good question to ask. DOMO, please give some reasoning/evidence as to why these are obvious scum reads. why is bulba scum? why is one of nm or ds scum, and do you really care which one it is?


By "obviously", I mean they're obviously who I think is scum, because I had said so in previous posts today. I didn't mean to imply they are obvscum, I'll be a little more careful using that phrase after wreck flipped town.

Also I forgot about aronis, who is now PN. That slot is a tenous scumread too, but his interactions with bulba look fishy to me.

Allow me to bullet point my scumread on bulba -

- meta link that I found in the games wreck linked - see post #411,
- defends by taking my attack seriously, not how I'd have replied if town - see posts #516 and #631,
- complaining about the d1 hammer pre-flip when everyone else was happy the day had ended,
- starts d2 with a really obvious fake crumb,
- responds to my accusation of dropping a fake crumbs by talking to me as though I'm town, rather than accusing me of rolefishing him,
- swinging for me, I believe because it's obvious that I'm not scum with bulba + pine, so I'm a safe target in terms of leaving a trail if he flips.

Ok that pretty much sums up why I think bulba is scum. However, I was very wrong yesterday about wreck, and I've put less effort into figuring bulba out. That said, bulba is clearly our best lynch today. mastin demanded my vote today (and tomorrow for that matter) and I owe her at least bulba before stopping to reassess.

As for the others, my scumreads are based on gut and memory, I'd need to read their ISOs and I haven't got the time before xmas to really look into them. They're not in danger so I'm not in any hurry.

Also, L-1 already is too fast, especially given that most people are starting to V/LA...

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