Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

Grey you didn't answer to what sort of scumgame you would expect from Ceph

[T-Bone]

I think someone has an amnesiac role and their result was given to me, probably randomly.

[T-Bone]

Which you know, Mod Error Mafia, a role in which the Mod accidentally sends the result to another player. I highly doubt it would have been given to me intentionally considering all the suspicion I have had my way.

[shos]

GreyICE, read up, tell me what you think of Tboner; also, claiming miller is not yet alignment indicative imo but.. what do you think about claiming hated?

NOT alignment indicative? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS LITERALLY THE FUNNIEST THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

have you guys never claimed miller first post as scum?

f'kin newbs

But that's not what I'm laughing at you see, because you just demonstrated that you know when things are not alignment indicative, yet you've been demonstrating the entire game that you actually don't! It's so hilarious AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thank you for making my day.

?????

huh?
greyICE just gave a list of 4 points that point to town - so I'm saying they don't, I've literally no idea what you're talking about.

Just reread the start of D2, because you clearly missed the main important event today.

Care to summarize?

The posts that led Shos to ask me to remind him about the start of D2 already WERE a summary. Just read my "today" iso and you'll get it.

Basically T-Bone claimed null-track on Cephrir and Eddie=Wisdom in a way that implied otherwise on Cephrir at first, but was not inconsistent with null-tracks. There's slight weirdness on treating Cephrir and Eddie asymmetrically given identical results, but he justified it by Cephrir's higher activity level.

I got this track as the result of another players ability. I did not track Eddie/Wisdom, that was a different action.

This claim just keeps evolving!!!

[GreyICE]

Grey you didn't answer to what sort of scumgame you would expect from Ceph

Probably if he was going to coast on a miller claim, hyper-townie reads-list/analysis type of discussion. Try and get in as the "obvtown miller" without doing much.

I've been spammed with a billion questions, please don't be Pirate Mollie.

PEdit: wat? So there's two trackers, and one sends the result to the wrong person?

That... kind of makes sense with the theme.

[T-Bone]

No Shos, I've never claimed to have two tracks, I've claimed to have one, from someone else. Take your confirm bias elsewhere thank you very much.

[T-Bone]

GreyICE, read up, tell me what you think of Tboner; also, claiming miller is not yet alignment indicative imo but.. what do you think about claiming hated?

NOT alignment indicative? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS LITERALLY THE FUNNIEST THING YOU HAVE EVER TYPED IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

have you guys never claimed miller first post as scum?

f'kin newbs

But that's not what I'm laughing at you see, because you just demonstrated that you know when things are not alignment indicative, yet you've been demonstrating the entire game that you actually don't! It's so hilarious AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thank you for making my day.

?????

huh?
greyICE just gave a list of 4 points that point to town - so I'm saying they don't, I've literally no idea what you're talking about.

Don't worry, if you need to refresh everyone's memory, you can tell them how I am scum for responding to something within 3 minutes.

And then you can tell them that LLD/Grey is not scum for doing the exact same thing while we're at it.

[shos]

STOP FUCKING MISREPPING ME

are you seriously not getting the point I was saying there??? like are you seriously thinking that the time difference between the posts is what matters?

[Iecerint]

I inferred track because he used language like "didn't perform the kill" and "null result," but I don't remember him actually using the T word I guess.

T-Bone, if there is no reason for being cagey (e.g., variance in ideal scum messing-with depending upon your claim), it is better to lock yourself into the specifics now.

[Iecerint]

STOP FUCKING MISREPPING ME

The dramatic irony is real.

[T-Bone]

I inferred track because he used language like "didn't perform the kill" and "null result," but I don't remember him actually using the T word I guess.

T-Bone, if there is no reason for being cagey (e.g., variance in ideal scum messing-with depending upon your claim), it is better to lock yourself into the specifics now.

I got a track from someone else and roleblocked Eddie.

[T-Bone]

STOP FUCKING MISREPPING ME

are you seriously not getting the point I was saying there??? like are you seriously thinking that the time difference between the posts is what matters?

I'm not misrepping you, but if I was then you'd know how I felt.

[Iecerint]

Ryoukai.

[GreyICE]

Wait, you're claiming roleblocker?

Why Eddie?

[Wisdom]

So roleblocker then? Your flavor?

[shos]

Once and for all:

I will elaborate here on this specific tell that I used on Tbone, and later explain why it does not apply for LLD.

background: OPINION
up until ISO 29 (post 721, april 10) Tbone's content was just about as much as LLD's, excpet with more posts. this is my opinion; he has like, 2, maybe 3 psots I can call actual content and not just fluff/questions not followd up on/proddodging material.

1. What happened - FACTS
ISO 29 is game related, posted in april 10.
ISO 30 is a prod acknowledgement.
ISO 31 is post 932. in post 931, which was posted in april 13, 6:56 pm, ceph wrote that utility lynching cabd/tbone is appealing. (opinion: obviously because neither did shit until that point)
ISO 31 came 3 minutes later, in 6:59, and says, and I quote: "Yes, let's lynch a player who is barely here and that you've personally had little to none interaction with."
in post 937 I post
"so seriously
Tboner didn't say shit in days
then the moment he is mentioned he replies in *THREE* MINUTES

this lurking is waaaay off

VOTE: T-bone"


<end of factual section>
so what I am trying to say is that I think T-bone has been lurking the entire game until then, coasting with 1-liners and a titbit of input for 900 posts(which, btw, is 1 post per 30 posts of the game)[for reference: lower than even LLD's postrate which is 1 per 25], and HAS been reading. then, literally the moment he was mentioned, he reacted to it. and ONLY to it. he ignored the 200 posts before that completely.

that should sum up this specific argument against Tbone. there are others, I'll do the case somewhen next week.

in short: ACTIVE LURKING AT ITS WORST.

now for LLD. I have been townreading this slot since D1, because of the big post (against me) about all the score stuff, which I thought and still think is very townie. For me, by now it's a question of "is it enough" to keep townreading her - but then again, except for the inactivity level, I have nothing to say against her. Anyway, to our case. She posted the day before, 3 posts. then a day later (almost precisely) you write, and she answered. it makes sense that people post on the same time of the day, and so it makes sense she was online then. but it is definitely not the same as the argument with Tbone: she did not lurk until that post, and when she did post, she posted these:

Man, that post sure sounds like you think Cabd is town, and are lynching him based on his activity, rather than any real semblance of his alignment.

And that shos town read is real bad.

Why don't you tell me why Shos is town?

Oh, and um, I'm forgetting something.... what am I forgetting...

Oh yeah! If you think I'm replacing out, you might need to expand your hobbies to "skullfucking yourself with a steel dildo until you grow more than 2 braincells".

oh, and you just put Cabd at L-1. You might want to at least announce it, if you don't give a fuck!

Now, if you disregard the aggression which I don't know if it's telling for her, these are good posts. your post DID sound like you think cabd is town; and even the rest of the post - it's not about HER. it's about the content of your post, and the fact you put cabd at L-1 (which, you know probably from my meta, is usually a tell I use quite a lot - not announcing it). this is infinitely better than Tbone's posts.

AND REGARDLESS OF CONTENT - THESE ARE POSTS. SO ONE CANNOT CALL THIS LURKING. NOTTTTT THE SAMEEEEE.

and take a look at the top of page 71. these are posts not directed SPECIFICALLY at you-who-are-talking-about-LLD. they focus on cabd and me, her town and scumread. I can't even see any resemblence.

There, this should do, I hope.

[T-Bone]

But I was v/la and LLD active lurked so you got it backwards.

[GreyICE]

But I was v/la and LLD active lurked so you got it backwards.

CLAIM FLAVOR AND REASONS ON EDDIE NOW

[shos]

TOWN roleblocker. seriously. can we please get this done with.

pedit:
LLD posted content on the same day. that was not lurking imo, not at that part of the game at least.
and you were not VLA. you got prodded.

[Wisdom]

Let's wait patiently for tbone to think up a good fake flavorclaim gais

[T-Bone]

When a Mod forgets a night action, a roleblocker aligned with the town.

Also Shos you are so way off base it's not even funny. May I remind you that the game had to stop because Copper spoilered me out of another game, to which you accused me of seeking his Modkill? Don't start your shit with me cause you obviously have no idea what any of the buzzwords you are throwing around mean. You OBVIOUSLY don't know what alignment indicative means, you OBVIOUSLY don't know what active lurking is, you OBVIOUSLY don't know what sportsmanship is, and you OBVIOUSLY can't tell the difference between a real claim and a fake one, so please stop burdening this playerlist until you learn what these things are.

[Iecerint]

Reasons on Eddie were also requested.

[T-Bone]

Because Mollie and Eddie were scummy, but they weren't read like that by most players, so I figured if scum they'd be a safe bet to carry out the kill.

[shos]

what the hell are you talking about?

1. how the hell is copper talking about ongoing games relevant?
2. you are truly underestimating me if you think I do not know what alignment indicative is, lol. my winrate as scum is much higher than town, and if X can be done by both scum and town, then it is not alignment indicative. claiming miller on first post? can you explain to me why scum can't do that? it exonerates them of any cop-out, solves their need to find a good fakeclaim, and makes sure they aren't tracked. it's just a decision one has to make.
3. same goes for active lurking. the level of active lurking is defined by each person on his own. if you don't deem LLD's posts useful, you can call it active lurking. I deem them OK, so I say she wasn't. it's that easy. if you don't get this - you should probably read what active lurkign is.
4. sportsmanship? so now you're just slinging mud for the fun??
5. it is called SCUMREADING YOU, and I seem to not be the only one who is, so fuck off.

[Iecerint]

I had actually forgotten that Eddie's slot was also mollie and Who. :X But yeah, that slot is town.

Lord Jesus, the entire team does musical chairs.

I skimmed ctrl+f "Cabd" for T-Bone, and he's kinda Cabd-defensive at first, but then votes him with me at the end of D1.