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[TTTT]

@Titus
I'm good with your slow-play if you're town
I get that
but I still don't get the no-result=scum
like why couldn't scum have a multi-shot RB?
wouldn't you have been the obvious candidate for a RB?
no-result=scum assumes set-up info we don't know

[Drone]

Titus didn't share her target yet.

[JaeReed]

VC 3.02

shannon (2)

: Titus, Drone

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

NOT VOTING (5)

: Impoetic, Sesq, Raskolnikov, gerryoat, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

[TTTT]

I received Titus' target. Will abide to her request.

Titus didn't share her target yet.

make up your mind

[Painbringer]

If scum is gonna keep Titus alive, they'd have to do more than mess with her; they'd have to have some reason

worth risking getting roleblocked or guiltied

after one of their partners had been lynched day 1.

Also, we lynched nilla mafia. The mafia that leads the kill would be the second least-important member, right? And we think they have a strongman?

I feel like the mafia

not

leading the kill would have to be visiting n1, making Shannon less likely mafia solely because LUV was real.

Maybe I shouldn't try to take any of this into consideration when I'm so bad at it and know nothing about setups. Idk.

You going to vote yet?

[Titus]

If scum is gonna keep Titus alive, they'd have to do more than mess with her; they'd have to have some reason

worth risking getting roleblocked or guiltied

after one of their partners had been lynched day 1.

Also, we lynched nilla mafia. The mafia that leads the kill would be the second least-important member, right? And we think they have a strongman?

I feel like the mafia

not

leading the kill would have to be visiting n1, making Shannon less likely mafia solely because LUV was real.

Maybe I shouldn't try to take any of this into consideration when I'm so bad at it and know nothing about setups. Idk.

You going to vote yet?

[gerryoat]

Impoetic, can I ask you why you haven't really voted or anything. Please give an actual reason as it will give me a better read on you.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I received Titus' target. Will abide to her request.

Titus didn't share her target yet.

make up your mind

This. The longer we wait the less time we have to assess it. I don't see what the town motivation is in keeping the result from us.

Drone, if she's told you in the hood, just reveal what she said if you're really town. Worst case scenario she claims that isn't who she really targeted and we know one of you is lying. Town don't have a reason to lie like that, so if one of you is town and the other is scum, the worst that could happen is we confirm that by seeing one of you lie. Then we can trade town for scum or just lynch scum and not have to worry about the other one of you.

[shannon]

Based on this, I reckon we have a Rask + Drone team. They are taking turns to be on the most popular wagon, but both needed to join the LUV one to get the PR lynch through.

I would be very, very interested to hear who Titus targeted last night.

Wow.
Yes.
When Raskolnikov replaced Ironstove, we still kept the original plan.
Oh dear.

VOTE: Shannon

You aren't even the center of attention, how can you afford that shading?
You are better of off the radar, but... You have the urge to prove innocence, cause you're not... Right?

I'm taking that as an OMGUS, but do note that I'm not yet convinced enough of anything to vote *anywhere*, and certainly not until Titus reveals her target.

I don't understand the last two sentences. Are you talking about me trying to throw shade, or about me shading my own name green? If the latter, why *wouldn't* I do that? I know my role, and you all know that LUV legit found me doing sweet FA night one. I get that you don't trust me, which is fine, so just read my post with that in mind and move on.

But you didn't tell me whom, when asked about it you said you didn't because I could fuck it up.
How?
You told me the result, not target.

Right. I want to see reactions of town versus scum.

I voted Shannon due to the absence of a roleblock assumption, which suggests scum did not block me

.

There's something called slow play of information. I am good with it as cop.

See Wake's Role Madness. I guilted practically all of the scum. Only my first check was wrong.

Alright, have I got things straight this time? (Titus, if I've left something out it's an oversight/lack of understanding on my part, not me trying to paint you as scum)

.

PS Until today we've been working on the assumption of a strongman, not a roleblocker. I'm trying to reconcile all this new information.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me. Scum tried to kill my block nights 1 and 2 but the block is actually the townblob so it can't be destroyed if I find new townspeople. We have to lynch within Titus/Drone today imo, there's too much posturing going on. They make like enemies most of the day yesterday but end up coming together to lynch LUV. They are either both scum or there is 1 scum among them.

[Titus]

Ssm, please hand over your dunce cap. Shannon is scum with the target of my check.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah that's not happening shannon is town look at the votes and look at LUVs claim. Convince me of a plausible partner and I'll look at the case and think it over. Is that you saying Shannon was the target of your check?

[Sesq]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me. Scum tried to kill my block nights 1 and 2 but the block is actually the townblob so it can't be destroyed if I find new townspeople. We have to lynch within Titus/Drone today imo, there's too much posturing going on. They make like enemies most of the day yesterday but end up coming together to lynch LUV. They are either both scum or there is 1 scum among them.

I don't really understand blocks, and for the time being don't want to be a part of them. I'll vote for whoever I think is scum, and then go from there. Drone's contradictions are becoming very glaring (and his earlier vote against me, not much backing behind it. Might have forgotten some things though). His complete ignoring of these addresses to him make it seem like he's backed into a corner and knows he cannot get out.

[Sesq]

Oh yeah, I forgot to actually do the thing. VOTE: Drone

Also, on the townblock, not too confident on shannon being town. Kind of null overall, but it defeats the purpose of a townblock if there isn't town on it.

[TTTT]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me.

you just hurt my feelings

[ssbm_Kyouko]

shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me.

you just hurt my feelings

You wouldn't vote with me and d7 yesterday you betrayed us for gerry

[TTTT]

the gerry thing... it's just... complicated.
my own parents don't even understand

[TTTT]

I should clarify that the above is not a soft-claim of role or any other information.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I thought it was a good joke

[shannon]

Ssm, please hand over your dunce cap. Shannon is scum with the target of my check.

Soooo let me get this straight:

You scum read me, and think LUV was faking a result on me. He flips town which verifies his result, but you *don't* check me for a gun, you check someone else. You get no result on them, but then claim that I'm scum *with* that person?

[TTTT]

@shannon
After being null (or close to it) all game... I think I just townread you.

[Titus]

Ssm, please hand over your dunce cap. Shannon is scum with the target of my check.

Soooo let me get this straight:

You scum read me, and think LUV was faking a result on me. He flips town which verifies his result, but you *don't* check me for a gun, you check someone else. You get no result on them, but then claim that I'm scum *with* that person?

Yup. I withheld the name specifically to see how people reacted. I suspected my target is hard core scum, given the method things played out. I was just watching for reactions for whom would get hyper defensive, yet suppose I was not blocked as a possibility. The person I checked makes the most sense as ascetic, and basically needs to be lynched at this point even if I am wrong.

The player discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked, makes sense for the partner.

Doubly so given your hyper opportunistic chains. With an ascetic partner, they'd do the murdering.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh so I'm Ascetic and shannon is the 3rd scum. So the plan was to wait for someone to bite when you didn't give out the name, later conveniently say that you targeted that player, then claim shannon is the 3rd scum. And you also think that from a balance standpoint that it makes sense to have an Ascetic scum in the same game as a Follower? What is the point of the Follower in such a setup?

Now you're saying that an Ascetic did the kill which means it's probably not a strongman unless you also thing a strongman ascetic would be balanced, so you think it's a roleblocker I assume? This is rich.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

but spoiler alert it can't be a roleblocker unless it's a roleblocking ascetic, because LUV would have seen shannon roleblocking Transcend N1 if that was the case and she had an Ascetic partner.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

should've killed me last night Titus