Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Ankamius]

did her vote on the grapes wagon look weird to you? her vote is roughly where I'd expect a bus vote to be if there was one

[Prince of Renais]

yes.

[Prince of Renais]

i was going to hold off on 100% casing because there's still a variable in play that i want to be clear on
but that's a post that town shoshin never makes and a post that scum shoshin always does.

let's kill grapes.

VOTE: grapes

Can you follow my lynch for today, PR?

the moment that I called grapes scum, Shoshin tries to appeal to my respect for her to get me to sheep her. no specific intended target except that it's

not

grapes.

It's fine if townies don't townread me but I feel like I'm pretty obvtown here to stronger scumhunters.

I'd prefer a lynch on Lycan/Clem over Grapes. I know this is bad of me to say but when Grapes was interacting with me I felt like he was actually giving me a fair shot instead of just pushing my mislynch.

Are you town on Lycan?

The degree to which Grapes followed up on my DT push felt townish, like I feel like scum would have just let it go eventually but he kept pushing for more of an explanation.

continues to vaguely call grapes town but isn't willing to fully commit to it. and Shoshin has an immense amount of weight behind her townreads. see any of her games. but she's not willing to hard push this one.

I will say this is a first for me, causing two players in a game to replace out. I'm not sure how to feel about this.

Lycan/Clem/Buj is my solve at the moment. I'm not "really really certain" though. I'll let you know when I am.

i actually seriously considered replacing out the moment she called me scum so make that 4!

I keep coming back to this.

Why would you replace out just because I called you scum?

If you're town, wouldn't you just push my lynch?

This feels fake, PR.

I can't detail this but Shoshin 100% knows that this is a fact. yet she tries to call me scum for it while I'm pushing grapes.

So if I ever want you to replace out of my games, I just call you scum?

I get that you're sensitive but that feels a bit much even for you.

Okay, I looked through some of Grapes games. I understand the wagon now.

VOTE: Grapes

you can scumread grapes on meta but grapes was obvscum based on the contents of this game and this game alone. town shoshin wouldn't have needed that.
also worth noting that once the momentum gets the point where it's pretty obviously happening she goes from trying to appeal to me to vote lyc or clem to oh yeah sure grapes seems scum.

footnote: shoshin has far too large of an ego to follow me. she respects my play but in any individual situation she would always put her reads first. this her trying to be a good townie, this isn't who she actually is.

[Ankamius]

hm

what are your reads on Jingle and Alisae?

[Prince of Renais]

uncertain and town

[Dannflor]

he votes elsewhere

Context says he was jokevoting me though.

was it? It looks like he was suspecting you to some degree - either way joke voting at that point of the day seems weird

Lemme throw it out there that while Eagles play is bad i think its bad town and anyone voting him is looking scummy rn. Yes you grapes

Mcqueen can be town for this post by the way

like I town read it initially because I mind melded him with his thoughts on Eagle and how voting him at that point was straight up scummy

but I didn't see the context where grapes has 6 votes on him and mcqueen places a vanity vote while calling grapes scummy

it looks like scum hoping the wagon won't go through but still allowing an opening for him to join the wagon later

[Reiuji Utsuho]

I think if Shoshin flips scum, we just lynch Clem > Gamma > Vedith in order and probably win.

I've been thinking about the reason about her overly emotional thing and I think one reason could be because her scummate is non-existent.

Clem first because of my MS Paint post, Gamma next for potential candidate, and Vedith for a meme.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

Lycan/Clem/Buj is my solve at the moment. I'm not "really really certain" though. I'll let you know when I am.

[Vedith]

and Vedith for a meme.

Yay I'm something \o/

[Dannflor]

I think if Shoshin flips scum, we just lynch Clem > Gamma > Vedith in order and probably win.

I've been thinking about the reason about her overly emotional thing and I think one reason could be because her scummate is non-existent.

Clem first because of my MS Paint post, Gamma next for potential candidate, and Vedith for a meme.

if Shoshin is red I'd lynch Vedith sooner than that

[Jingle]

I don't dislike a grapes lynch.

VOTE: Grapes

Full disclosure, I have no idea why we lynched grapes.

Jingle, you're gonna have to reconcile these two posts for me

How were you okay with the lynch and then claimed you didn't know why there was a lynch there? Like, were you just lying in the first post?

I guess if you're apathetic you don't really care who gets lynched but it sounds like you were on board with the lynch for *reasons* and then reversed that stance

I was on board because of a lack of a read. At that point in time I wanted Shoshin to have space to work, and grapes wasn't one of my townreads. It's an attitude of why not.

[Prince of Renais]

Vedith > Clem > Jingle > needs further review

[Reiuji Utsuho]

I think if Shoshin flips scum, we just lynch Clem > Gamma > Vedith in order and probably win.

I've been thinking about the reason about her overly emotional thing and I think one reason could be because her scummate is non-existent.

Clem first because of my MS Paint post, Gamma next for potential candidate, and Vedith for a meme.

if Shoshin is red I'd lynch Vedith sooner than that

I'm not sure. Would mafia openly WK scummate like that?

[Prince of Renais]

in my experience with vedith, yes.

[Jingle]

all 3 of myself/EE/Jingle were playing a simultaneous game with shoshin where she was scum and all 3 of us agree that she's the same alignment here as she was there.

Clarification, she's playing similarly. I'm not thinking she's lockscum, but she's still the best info lynch, so I don't really care to try to figure that out.

[Ankamius]

all 3 of myself/EE/Jingle were playing a simultaneous game with shoshin where she was scum and all 3 of us agree that she's the same alignment here as she was there.

Clarification, she's playing similarly. I'm not thinking she's lockscum, but she's still the best info lynch, so I don't really care to try to figure that out.

what's your read on the gamestate atm

[Dannflor]

I'm not sure. Would mafia openly WK scummate like that?

Vedith definitely would and has before

I also think in this game state he has to go for that play or he just loses anyway

[Jingle]

what's your read on the gamestate atm

Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.

[Vedith]

if Shoshin is red I'd lynch Vedith sooner than that

You think after the 1 time I defend a Scum buddy over getting them lynched loses me a Scum game that I do it again?
Even more so when players from that game are here including yourself?

[Vedith]

Vedith > Clem > Jingle > needs further review

And who do we lynch on a green flip?

[Reiuji Utsuho]

You think after the 1 time I defend a Scum buddy over getting them lynched loses me a Scum game that I do it again?
Even more so when players from that game are here including yourself?

Well that's just a WIFOM isn't it?

[Vedith]

in my experience with vedith, yes.

Hold on, please share this experience where I white knight my Scum buddy.

[Dannflor]

You think after the 1 time I defend a Scum buddy over getting them lynched loses me a Scum game that I do it again?

That wasn't at all what caused you to lose in that game, and in fact is part of why you managed to go as far as you did

[Prince of Renais]

I'd rather not, sorry.

[Reiuji Utsuho]

You think after the 1 time I defend a Scum buddy over getting them lynched loses me a Scum game that I do it again?

Hold on, please share this experience where I white knight my Scum buddy.

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