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[Dwlee99]

I think kill ythan (Andres and Ythan's play completely deserves to be eliminated)

If ythan is wolf then reeval. If ythan is mafia then Nero is our wolf.

[Dwlee99]

And if ythan is town then scum are going to need to cross kill to prevent a draw. A50/Cyrus thoughts on the plan?

[Almost50]

Yeah, this doesn't look like a great scum player either

He also replaced out of Mini Normal 1976 (as scum with rb). I didn't look at the game thread itself, but rather the Scum PT as I wanna know how he thinks not how he plays (he's already flipped here)

This guy plays a lot of Micros

This made me laugh. He's proposing to block a dead player. Yeah, I'm done with this. Dwlee is more likely Town.

(although it just struck me, if Dwlee is Scum then HE would have been the mastermind of HEM's claim to have blocked him. Yet again, he certainly wouldn't have instructed HEM to add that he still could be Mafia there. Occam's Razor: Dwlee is Town)

[Almost50]

There is a world where A50 claimed PT cop on Nero because Titus role copped Nero as a neighbor hmmm

Yep. And we held on to the result until she also Rolecopped Testa then decided to out both results on the same day.

[Almost50]

And if ythan is town then scum are going to need to cross kill to prevent a draw. A50/Cyrus thoughts on the plan?

As I said, I'm fine voting Ythan or Nero (and frankly Ythan more than Nero because Nero is at least playing the game, and if he is WW as I suspect he deserves to be in E-Lo at the very least. If he's NOT the WW then he must be Town, so still prefer Ythan)

[Nero Cain]

Hem could still be telling the truth if dw is ascetic and that would explain gammas no result.

[Dwlee99]

Okay unless Cyrus objects I think we are good on the plan then

[Almost50]

Like, right now I think my lim order/preference would be: Ythan > Nero > Dwlee > cyrus

P-edit: Damn!

Wait a second: WW's had a full Rolecop & a 1-shot Neighborizer. Mafia had a 2-shot Rolecop & an Odd Night RB. If the 3rd WW is Ascetic, how do you balance that? The Mafia had no way of finding him.

Anyway, we flip Ythan and whoever is still alive tomorrow can rethink it all over. Right?

[Nero Cain]

Is there a reason why ythan can't be ww? Rolecops can be used to hunt the ascetic. We also don't know the last scum role

[cyrus62]

Lol my thoughts will be different I live by one rule D.T.A. . I find dw play very whiplash like . A50 is some sort one I will iso Nero is the person I would rather see at end game. So here is my plan.

[cyrus62]

Ythen how gos your catch up can I get some reads you had 4 days to catch up attests.

[Almost50]

Is there a reason why ythan can't be ww? Rolecops can be used to hunt the ascetic. We also don't know the last scum role

Huh?? Rolecops will get NO RESULT on an Ascetic.

[cyrus62]

A50 can you give us all a recap of who town over all viewed as scum and please dig deep I want even dead reads.

[Almost50]

Lol my thoughts will be different I live by one rule D.T.A. . I find dw play very whiplash like . A50 is some sort one I will iso Nero is the person I would rather see at end game. So here is my plan.

Man, I wish I spoke your language!! What is DTA? (Google gave me

Department of Transitional Assistance

, and in second place

tax convention or double tax agreement

(in Australia), then

Domestic Tariff Area

(in India), then I GAVE UP!)

Oh, and there's a jxdn song by than name it seems.

[Almost50]

A50 can you give us all a recap of

who town over all viewed as scum

and please dig deep I want even dead reads.

Translation to the bolded please?

[Nero Cain]

Is there a reason why ythan can't be ww? Rolecops can be used to hunt the ascetic. We also don't know the last scum role

Huh?? Rolecops will get NO RESULT on an Ascetic.

Yeah I'm dumb

[Dwlee99]

So Nero you have any investigation results?

[cyrus62]

A50 can you give us all a recap of

who town over all viewed as scum

and please dig deep I want even dead reads.

Translation to the bolded please?

I was basically asking if you could go over the flips and then follow who the dead town thought were scum and see if they point to any of the living .

[cyrus62]

Lol my thoughts will be different I live by one rule D.T.A. . I find dw play very whiplash like . A50 is some sort one I will iso Nero is the person I would rather see at end game. So here is my plan.

Man, I wish I spoke your language!! What is DTA? (Google gave me

Department of Transitional Assistance

, and in second place

tax convention or double tax agreement

(in Australia), then

Domestic Tariff Area

(in India), then I GAVE UP!)

Oh, and there's a jxdn song by than name it seems.

dont trust anyone.

[Almost50]

OIC.. I could do that.. hold on

[Almost50]

I'll ISO every flipped Townie in the order they appear on the players list, so starting with T3 and the last "read" he put was:

Multiball with 2 scum per team is very bad for bussing. Scum are going to hard defend their scumpartner. Elsa hard defends Kitty for no reason. Later in the day Elsa moves on to Kitty as it seems he is being limmed. This feels like a last-ditch distancing attempt.

This obviously has 2 flaws: (a) Scum teams are apparently of 3 not 2 members, and (b) Kitty (Dwlee) can't be a WW as per HEM's check

Before that T3 was agreeing with you that he wanted to vote off Kitty over Gamma

And that sums it up for T3's reads on D2 (the day before he was killed)

[Almost50]

Gamma's last reads were

I liked Arc’s entrance, Andres idk

A few hours before that he was suspicious of Kitty too. (1233)|

Note: I have omitted Gamma's suspicion on Dunn as Dunn is already flipped

[Almost50]

Arc's last post was:

i said it. there is scum is my wagon. just look at that!!

And this is the final VC:

Official Vote Count

ArcAngel9

(5): Nero Cain, Dwlee99, cyrus62, Dunnstral, Almost50

Nero Cain

(1): humaneatingmonkey

cyrus62

(1): ArcAngel9

Not Voting

(1): Ythan

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-07-24 22:24:00)

ArcAngel has been eliminated,

She was a Vanilla Townie

Please send night actions to both Sirius and me.

[Almost50]

AD's semi-final post I don't really get:

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Before I go. Like justice kavanaugh, I like beer.

But I also like guns.

As for this day? Borat would say, Great Success!

A bit of both nero

Was this mean to be a crumb of some kind? because AD was an EVEN NIGHT Jailer, so it doesn't look like one to me, but not long before he had said:

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

Also, I'm interested in hearing if anybody disagrees with any of this

I'd argue nero has a chance to be a partner

This was after EJ had scumclaimed.

Earlier he had declared gamma/cyrus TOWN.

Tha last "readlist resembling" post of his was:

Well bit of a slog catching up.

Firstly its so nice just having some more sane people playing. I was slowly losing my mind reading the thread up until Iec's entrance.

I think Gamma/Iec/Titus/Cyrus are town without equivocation. Also very much liking Testa's entrance as well.

My priority is to sort Elsa and Kitty. Both egregiously play against their alignment whatever it may be, which generally I don't try to fault the players for but each has both had multiple games of experience on site and each has had the audacity on different occasions to refer to other players as "LHF" and "stupid town" and "miselim bait".

I have no idea how I will do that with Kitty. In a vacuum their recent vote looks both shallow, opportunistic, and not original. This lazy posting isn't new. Perhaps some sort of meta dive has to be done just like it must be done for Elsa.

I'm going to read the game Iec linked to see if this is standard for her town play too or if I notice any relevant differences. @Almost unless I missed it I'd still like a scum game of Elsa's. It's been my interpretation that your vote on Elsa is serious and that you think they are acting as they do when scum.

Finally with regards to HEM I will check whether his queries have amounted to substantive scumhunting or if they are but puffed up chestbeating as Gamma/Iec think. My impression of the slot is that I tend to agree with the content he says, which is always a good sign but have not established a stronger town read because of the way he says it.

I did not find the series of posts that made ndMath townread Titus particularly convincing. The first was nonsense, and the latter two are imo bland.

[Almost50]

NDMath:

I think this is the most relevant post

Spoiler: reordered elsa's reads so I can process it better

Gamma: honestly big townread for stirring the pot enough. Even if he doubts me, he's playing to town meta.

Lecerint: biggest defender of me, ironically. Don't think he's scum pocketing me either considering it seems likely atm I die. Still working on changing that but town.

Math: don't like he voted me after claim but he probably is just siding with HEM's logic here. Beforehand he's been pretty town, so town.

Cyrus: compared the the last time I saw him he actually seems more insane. Funnily enough that might be a towntell.

Action: doesn't know me well so I forgive him for thinking I'm scum. Still actually trying to solve me too. Town lean. Oh and
@Dan: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090
There's my last Elsa scum game. Also the one with Kitty in it.

Nom: been on me too but is active enough to generate discussion. Town lean.

Nero: felt in the background but he's okay with my death too it seems. Last time I played him I think he was scum and did jack day 1. So considering he's solving a bit, nulltown.

HEM: The big guy. Frankly if I think about it, he's not really scumreading me because of my actions. He just doesn't understand my style at all. If that's the case, might actually be town. If faking that and just is trying to kill me for easy day 1, obviously scum. But the first seems more likely to me now.

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T3: he counterclaimed me but since we know literally nothing elsa I'm okay waiting till day 2 to deal with that. Could just be neighborizor is common enough for a reason. Null for now.

Almost: he told me to shut up earlier about defending Kitty and I wish I listened. Null at the moment purely because he's probably waiting till day 2 or 3 too make his move

Lucifer: getting replaced so no read.

Dunn: stuck with a gutread on me in the first few pages and isn't looking anywhere elsa either like Titus. Expected better but he seems more committed to me dying so null.

Andre: new phone who dis? Literally nothing here so null.

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Testarossa: earlier said the strongest scumlean was T3 but now seems chill with him? Dunno. If she's a quiet person or just busy it's null. If she's normally active maybe scumlean? Feels more gutsy.

Titus: wanted to instantly townread her but it feels like she just... Took me as sus and went with it? She should know better. I expected more of her by now. Scumlean.

Kitty: a non prescence now that I took the heat off of him. Turned on me immediately as well. I was stupid so now he feels safe. Scummy.


That list... Wasn't as helpful as I wanted it but I got soaked running home in the rain and I'm sleepy so I'm posting the beta now. Ftr my nulls could be more passive scum.

I think I like this? There's nothing I have a problem with.

He took EJ's readlist and reordered it and stated he had no problem with any of it