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Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:20 am**

Everyone's in favour. TML's basically consented. Frankly just feel like we should do this already.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:59 am**

I don't know if TML consented... but his last few posts read defeatist.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:37 am**

Of course he didn't explicitly consent but he basically just said "yeah, you're pretty much right" to the various cases put against him and has shown zero urgency to turn around the tide of opinion. I've been there as scum before and done exactly the same thing. If I were town in his position, I'd be freaking out.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:44 am**

Trying to re-read from start of the day. So far the Camn SK thing is interesting and Plessie would be top of my town reads.

Kise replaced? blagh., another slot I see as scum with multiple replacees.

Still think Kuribo is scum... would anyone be willing to go for Kuribo lynch?

Plessie does make a good case on Mini, I had Mini as leaning in the middle of the road yesterday, more coming as I compose my thoughts (Yea, I'm majorly fucking behind at times here having problems keeping up)

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:38 am**

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:Still think Kuribo is scum... would anyone be willing to go for Kuribo lynch?

Nope, my kuribo read hasn't changed.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:40 am**

Submitting bar exam conversion applications this week so you'll be hearing even less from me unfortunately.

Tammy and I have been talking and we've narrowed it down to {Benmage, Jason, Librarian, BT, Nostredeus}.

I went over Benmage's ISO and meta again, he still seems really town despite our paranoia so I don't really want to lynch him.

Plessiezarus' #2188 is a really convincing case -- Tammy and I went over TML's meta again and she thinks it doesn't tell her anything one way or the other (P.S.: You guys really need to consider Jason as well, especially given the sottyrulez kill).

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:41 am**

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:Still think Kuribo is scum... would anyone be willing to go for Kuribo lynch?

No.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:23 pm**

Day 3, Votecount 5

ChannelDeliBird (1) - Benmage

The Mini-Librarian (4) - ChannelDelibird, BT, Nostredeus, Plessiezarus

Nostredeus (1) - Shaft

Not voting (7) :

Cerulean, JasonT1981, camn, Zdenek, The Mini-Librarian, Deasvail, kuribo

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is on 9th of March at 17:15pm GMT
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-09 13:15:28)

Prodding BT and The Mini-Librarian

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:44 pm**

Jason: Kise replaced with his own alt, which is fucking bizarre and pointless but not, I think, applicable as an argument against him. And no, we're not lynching kuribo. Get on the TML train sharpish.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:24 pm**

vote: TML

every game I've been in with TML, he's been easy mislynch fodder. The fact that he doesn't seem concerned about what he should feel is yet another mislynch... I don't like it.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:36 pm**

↑ Shaft wrote:
Can't say I've always loved Cerulean enough to care about that. Tammy's not putting out.

Sh...you're not supposed to out that I'm a tease!

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I really don't know what to think of tml. I thought the absta push but not really doing anything about it as the day went on was suspicious, but was going to argue that his PETA case looked pretty townish, then read pless's case again and it up against backing off once kuribo replaced in does look suspicious. Meh, he's the day's lynch. I'm not putting him at l-1 now though.

Empire and I want to finish reading through the rest of our suspect list and discussing it, so I'd like to not lynch before we get a chance to do that.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:15 am**

↑ Nostredeus wrote:So yeah, basically take the SAD wagon:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, Zdenek, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird, sottyrulez

I take out the dead:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, Zdenek, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird

And conf town:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird

And myself:

Deasvail, Plessiezarus, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, ChannelDeliBird

Then look at who is left and I've got town reads on Jason, Plessie, Deasvail and CDB.

Combine that with TML interactions / the unease I get when a townie gets 0 heat all game / the legit solid cases on TML today and PoE says it's time to scrap Wall-E.

mmmm

better than the shit I come up with

unvote

I won't L-1 lib either. Once he sorts his shit out, we'll see if it's an easy hammer.

Gut tells me jason is town. Ben always makes bold plays, but I particularly liked his stance D4. Only thing I would find sus' about him are the absta interactions. Otherwise, he's not someone I'm urging to hang.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:05 am**

Eh, still around, just got nothing to say and too busy to do rereads.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:59 am**

↑ Zdenek wrote:Plessie, how hard does scum-Absta tend to push mislynches?

Hmm. Are you thinking that absta's push on camn on day 1 was

too

over the top? Discussed that with Zar a bit earlier. Short answer is that I think absta railing against camn on day 1 the way he did is pretty consistent with his meta, if she's town.

It's true that, looking back at absta's past scum games, he tends to usually be a bit feeble in his suspicions and to not stick with one suspect for long. But he has pushed hard and consistently against townies a couple of times:

In Newbie 1290 he pushed a mislynch on Wisdom fairly enthusiastically on day 1. He also pushed strongly (and successfully) for a Starbuck mislynch in day 2 of Open 432. The latter is particularly similar in tone to his push against camn in this game.

So, quite confident that absta's push on camn was scum on town (or Police on not-Police, at least), given his past form.

~ Pless

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:57 am**

There's over 8 days to deadline. No need for a hasty rush. I'd like the chance to give TML's iso a proper review, and I've been a bit busy. Plus TML is overdue a post and I'm curious what he says.

SO cheah. Hangtight.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:19 am**

Plessiezarus, I looked through Absta's games, and one thing that gave me pause was that in Newbie 1290 Thor bussed Absta (not like Absta attacked Camn here though) and then went on to win the game. Absta could have been attempting to mimic that in this game, and it would have been a pretty safe move because Camn wasn't all that likely to be lynched.

I agree though that Absta's treatment of Camn is pretty close to his treatment of Starbuck in Open 432, so Camn is probably town.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:15 am**

Yup. The moment my lylo game ends (in a town loss

) this game stops going at a million miles per hour, standard.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:18 am**

↑ Benmage wrote:Plus TML is overdue a post and I'm curious what he says.

That's as much the point as anything he's actually said.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:45 am**

OK.. there were too many votecounts for me to include them all.. so I picked every 5.
Here is raw data, with Zd as conftown:

Spoiler: Day One VC data

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:49 am**

and day 2
analysis to follow.

Spoiler: Day 2

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:06 pm**

shoot. Shadow got mistagged a couple times.

Anyway- no slam dunks... but lets look at the lynches.
I know there is a monkeywrench with TGAH being a traitor.. but whatev.

TheGreatestAmericanHero

(10) -

sottyrulez

, Plessiezarus, ActionDan, DeasVail, The Mini-Librarian, ChanelDelibird,

Shadoweh

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

, Benmage,

Safetydance

Ser Arthur Dayne

(9) - Deasvail, Plessiezarus,

Zdenek

, JasonT1981, The-Mini Librarian, Nostredeus, ChannelDeliBird,

sottyrulez

, camn

Ok.. I am giong to go with some giant assumptions here.
1- I am town
2- Actiondan/kuribo is town
and more outrageuously..
3- that TGAH wouldnt have pushed Nos or Jason as scum. that gives us:

TheGreatestAmericanHero

(10) -

sottyrulez

, Plessiezarus,

ActionDan

, DeasVail, The Mini-Librarian, ChanelDelibird,

Shadoweh

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

, Benmage,

Safetydance

Ser Arthur Dayne

(9) - Deasvail, Plessiezarus,

Zdenek

,

JasonT1981

, The-Mini Librarian,

Nostredeus

, ChannelDeliBird,

sottyrulez

,

camn

...which totally doesnt close the net nearly enough.
I was thinking that scum are MORE likely to be on theTGAH wagon.. and less on the SAD wagon, knowing it would go by deadline.. but the same fools are on both wagons.

MEH

.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:09 pm**

OK, Im with Ben.

VOTE CHANELDELIBIRD

You are scum.
And you are caught on rookie tells.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:20 pm**

All of that vote analysis applies to TML too, so unless you have a case better than the current TML ones then that isn't sitting well with me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:22 pm**

Hooray for vote count analysis, where the analyser admits that the results are unclear and the votes are examined out of psychological context! Yippee!

I've rebutted your previous "rookie tells". You've come to a conclusion from your VCA because you feel like the work you put into it warranted a conclusion, not because there is one.

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:24 pm**

And what is it that you like so much about TML's Day 2 play anyway?

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