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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:38 pm
by Dannflor
Like if it's Vedith/Shoshin, Vedith is already gonna get lynched before lylo no matter what basically. Shoshin, however, probably has the ability to stay alive and maybe win especially if PR gets NKed. The only winning play for that scum team is to make sure Shoshin stays alive at any cost.

I don't know why this is a point of debate for you Vedith if you're so sure Shoshin is town

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:38 pm
by Vedith
In post 2197, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2193, Vedith wrote:You think after the 1 time I defend a Scum buddy over getting them lynched loses me a Scum game that I do it again?
That wasn't at all what caused you to lose in that game, and in fact is part of why you managed to go as far as you did
That's not true at all.
If I lynched TL I wouldn't have had to push on Yumeko, I wouldn't have had to kill RC when I did. I wouldn't have had to kill you night 1.

It plays the game out 100% differently and imo is what lost it.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:39 pm
by Ankamius
In post 2192, Jingle wrote:
In post 2190, Ankamius wrote:what's your read on the gamestate atm
Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.
well ok

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:39 pm
by Vedith
In post 2198, Prince of Renais wrote:I'd rather not, sorry.
Because your statement is false.
I will throw my Scum team under the bus before I defend them.
So what you're using here is false meta?

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:39 pm
by Jingle
I'm kinda interested in vedith more than shoshin at this point.

VOTE: vedith

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:39 pm
by Reiuji Utsuho
In post 2202, Ankamius wrote:what makes shoshin the best info lynch then
In order for you to understand this you need to read... those pages.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:39 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
@Aly:

Do you still need the case on Shoshin/State of People's reads/ Gamestate, etc... anything from me?

Where are you at?

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:40 pm
by Prince of Renais
In post 2203, Vedith wrote:
In post 2198, Prince of Renais wrote:I'd rather not, sorry.
Because your statement is false.
I will throw my Scum team under the bus before I defend them.
So what you're using here is false meta?
you're discussing 2057 right now where you defended your scumbuddy on D1.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:40 pm
by Jingle
In post 2202, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2192, Jingle wrote:
In post 2190, Ankamius wrote:what's your read on the gamestate atm
Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.
well ok

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then
Multiple 1v1s and she's been the center of attention for >half the thread time.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:40 pm
by Vedith
1 game I did the WK shit and they were not in it.
So to say they have experience of me white knighting my Scum buddy is false.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:41 pm
by Vedith
In post 2207, Prince of Renais wrote:you're discussing 2057 right now where you defended your scumbuddy on D1
You said with your experience with me.
That's not your experience with me.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
In post 2204, Jingle wrote:I'm kinda interested in vedith more than shoshin at this point.

VOTE: vedith
Get back on the wagon, this is just cuz you're bored and you know it.
Jingle wrote:
In post 2202, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2192, Jingle wrote:
In post 2190, Ankamius wrote:what's your read on the gamestate atm
Lotsa obvtown, open townsided setup. I'm bored, and have been, and it's gonna get me lynched soon.
well ok

what makes shoshin the best info lynch then
Multiple 1v1s and she's been the center of attention for >half the thread time.
she's pretty LAMIST, IMO. reads a lot like BoP
In post 1897, Jingle wrote:But yeah, Shoshin here is very similar to shoshin in BoP, and there are specific posts that I doubt town her makes, particularly while playing in that game.
In post 1899, Prince of Renais wrote:
In post 1897, Jingle wrote:But yeah, Shoshin here is very similar to shoshin in BoP, and there are specific posts that I doubt town her makes, particularly while playing in that game.
Essentially this

I take back saying that she doesn't try to work with me as town, I think that's unfair, but as scum she treats me how I want to be treated and as town she's too busy playing her own game. I'm fully capable of going into more detail on that but I felt that she was the same alignment between these games the entirety of BOP and the 1/8 odds of being scum in this game is unfortunately one of the reasons I wrote her off as a lynch in that one.

I don't plan on making that mistake twice
In post 1900, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I echo PR and Jingle

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm
by Ankamius
In post 2206, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@Aly:

Do you still need the case on Shoshin/State of People's reads/ Gamestate, etc... anything from me?

Where are you at?
your reads mainly and a rough estimation as to why for each of them

I think that would give me enough to get a feel for where your thoughts are at atm

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm
by Prince of Renais
in the interest of keeping a secret alt secret, I will not share my experience. :P

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:42 pm
by northsidegal
Votecount 2.5

Shoshin(4)
~ (79), (61), (124), (107)

Vedith(2)
~ (18), (107)
Jingle(2)
~ (92), (41)
Alisae(2)
~ (6), (9)
Prince of Renais(1)
~ (9)
Dannflor(1)
~ (23)


Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald(0), Clemency(0), (82), Karmeleon(11)

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-27 19:19:59)


Searching for a replacement for Shoshin.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:43 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
Shoshin isn't trying to read the game and build cases => she asks questions but doesn't reach conclusions

and she's doing a lot to try to get activity townread

@Aly, I'll get to your post with a list of my posts that will probably help and some explanation in just a sec

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:43 pm
by Vedith
In post 2200, Dannflor wrote:I don't know why this is a point of debate for you Vedith if you're so sure Shoshin is town
My debate isn't that I'm lynched on it, as I didn't argue the comments for that.
I just don't think you believe this.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:46 pm
by Vedith
In post 2213, Prince of Renais wrote:in the interest of keeping a secret alt secret, I will not share my experience. :P
Even if you were in that game. Are you saying that you are basing my entire play as Scum from that one game where I WK a Scum buddy and also heavily assisted in throwing my other Scum buddy under the bus?
I'm not buying that comment.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:46 pm
by Jingle
In post 2211, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Get back on the wagon, this is just cuz you're bored and you know it.
You're not my robot supervisor.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:47 pm
by Reiuji Utsuho
I mean if you did it once, it means you are capable of doing again so...

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:48 pm
by Dannflor
In post 2201, Vedith wrote:That's not true at all.
If I lynched TL I wouldn't have had to push on Yumeko, I wouldn't have had to kill RC when I did. I wouldn't have had to kill you night 1.

It plays the game out 100% differently and imo is what lost it.
Okay, maybe. Regardless, this is a play that is certainly not out of the question for you to make. I know it's not outside your scum range. Whether or not you would make it in front of people who witnessed a similar play... Eh, that's a WIFOM rabbit hole.

Mostly, it comes down to the fact that I think it's probably one of the only plays scum
can
make given that team and the game state, added to the fact that I know you're capable of it.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:48 pm
by Vedith
In post 2219, Reiuji Utsuho wrote:I mean if you did it once, it means you are capable of doing again so...
Doesn't change that it's fake meta.

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:49 pm
by Ankamius
In post 2215, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Shoshin isn't trying to read the game and build cases => she asks questions but doesn't reach conclusions
are there any especially bad examples of this?

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:49 pm
by Reiuji Utsuho
What is "fake meta?"

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:50 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
In post 2222, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2215, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Shoshin isn't trying to read the game and build cases => she asks questions but doesn't reach conclusions
are there any especially bad examples of this?
I mean her ISO has very few particular conclusions in it, if that's what you're asking. 8-ball she was very decisive, picked stances and took them

the only memorable stance i remember getting from her this game is that I'm town. :/ It's particularly hard to prove the absence of something otherwise I'd get you qutoes