That bored the tits off me. Seriously go read them, It'll take you like 5 mins
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:12 am
by Gamma Emerald
lol that "no comment" vibe is one I can feel sometimes
it's why I never catch up page-by-page, either single posts or several pages in a post
Why is pocketing people boring for you?
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:32 am
by MURDERCAT
Flea the fact that it's not typical is why I'm concerned about it
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:59 am
by Flea The Magician
The page by page catchups help me a lot, honestly. For me it gets me into the game, it stirs reactions, and helps me get my thoughts down. To me it's also helping me track my thoughts - yes this is potentially scummy - yes I could use my notes PT - but I like people to see what I'm thinking as I go because then if I'm misunderstanding something it can be corrected sooner than later.
Pocket plays are cheap ways to gain town reads.Surprisingly easy to pull off as well if you have the right people around for your style. Incredibly obvious as well to those who know how to read a player.
I'd rather put effort in, generate reads myself, and have others generate a read on me naturally. If it comes out town or scum, it's a genuine read and people will see that.
MC, that's fair. I was looking at stuff for and against your case, that was stuff that pinged with me as either for or against it. I do have a town lean on you and while the evidence is there, I don't feel the case was well motivated and with the strength it was being pushed it felt off. I went in hoping to find more in favour of you than against you.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:02 am
by Gamma Emerald
eh okay
btw flea what are you willing to vote that has 3 or more votes rn?
In the general no-lim sense? Or you don't think that looks like BM acting like they know Blitzo is town, starting to make a self-doubt post, and then spending the rest of the post on a 100% assumption of Blitzo-scum.
The former but also the reasons people are SRing BM here just seem to be BM being BM
Pretty sure I’ve done a fair job pointing out how it’s very much not that but w/e
I really have not gotten that considering I've asked you before and you admitted you have beef
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:16 am
by SirCakez
In post 2165, Akarin wrote:I guess I'd say Cakez, Taly, Pooky, and BM. And I'm townreading Taly and Pooky.
I guess maybe I contributed too, at least stealing away momentum, but the wagon was feeling like it was going too quickly when I checked in last night and I wanted to make sure it didn't hammer before I got time to come back to the game.
how was I involved in this other than moving to no elim? (which I've been saying the whole game I wanted)
In post 2168, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay. Do you think Cakez+BM are scum? I could see it myself. Cakez seems dedicated to gaslighting me by painting my BM push as a personal gripe.
bro it feels exactly the same as your Xenoblade 2 push where you were both town
what is different here?
I am fine with Akarin's plan in 2182
I go to Electric if MC is elimmed?
In post 1820, SirCakez wrote:Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?
Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.
yeah but in the game I played with him as scum he was actually terrible, much worse than here or Xenoblade 2 (quality of play wise)
Well he tries to use his bad play as a cover
His quality is not the thing at the core of how I’m reading him. It’s his behavior pattern and way of posting.
like Gamma can you elaborate on this?
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:57 am
by Taly
Cakez
, I'm a bit up in the air.
TGP >/=/? Titus = No Lim = Haschel
at the moment.
Unless you lot believe at least 2 of the scumteam exist within
BM/Haschel/Pooky/Gamma
AND
Pooky
is getting hard pocketed
(because
Pooky
is well townread)
I have no clue what's scum led about this wagon aside from
Akarin's
points on
Haschel
.
I feel like
Haschel
isn't providing context to his scumhunting and so his motives for pushing
Also Reck is the only person talking any sense right now; I too have already decided which room I'm going to tonight. I'll let you know where it is tomorrow.
this? this one post is what qualifies as "riding my coattails" and "disrupting the game"???
Yup. He's putting interest and motivating you to push garbage to try and stop town from coordinating. That's disruptive and riding your thoughts.
To my knowledge, she was one of the first people to inject the
Haschel/Reck
TvS. She asserted doubt into
Haschel's
intentions WHILE saying
Reck's
opinions were
"garbage"
and still townreads
Reck
in the same vein. It feels like a TMI on
Reck's
alignment because this functionally provided doubt to
Reck's
thinking without having to push him as scum for the POV.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:59 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2205, SirCakez wrote:I really have not gotten that considering I've asked you before and you admitted you have beef
Yes it exists but I'm NOT the one promoting it. It's him and you making it like that. I have personal grievance with his playstyle but it's not why I SR him. I SR him because he's lining up with his scumgame more than his towngame from what I'VE seen, and your counterpoint of the scumgame you saw didn't really do anything to impact how I see things, and it also lead to the second issue with BM's play which is he tried to sidestep his own self-meta in an attempt to make me the bad guy.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:59 am
by SirCakez
TGP is a decent elim but I don't see why he's at the top of your list?
In post 2205, SirCakez wrote:I really have not gotten that considering I've asked you before and you admitted you have beef
Yes it exists but I'm NOT the one promoting it. It's him and you making it like that. I have personal grievance with his playstyle but it's not why I SR him. I SR him because he's lining up with his scumgame more than his towngame from what I'VE seen, and your counterpoint of the scumgame you saw didn't really do anything to impact how I see things, and it also lead to the second issue with BM's play which is he tried to sidestep his own self-meta in an attempt to make me the bad guy.
ok I will stop referring to it then
What scumgames are you referring to here?
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:03 am
by Taly
TGP
is the only
Murder
vote I can confidently say has scum motivation.
I'm tempted to just vote
Haschel
or
Titus
, but I feel like vote hopping right now will only create more chaos.
Right now, I'm thinking
Reck/Alisae/Pooky
are all town and
Haschel/Titus
could be S/S.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:05 am
by SirCakez
You think Haschel is bussing?
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:06 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit
In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit
In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit
In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit
@Cakez 2207
As for his behavior pattern, recall how I accused him of having double the posts of the next highest poster in xc2? Here he has been posting but it hasn't been to the degree of that game where he was an engine fueled by some unknown force. He also feels similar to Donner Party/Open 800 where he did post a fair bit but he kinda kept a low profile. He hasn't really pushed much here either, in fact towards the beginning the only "content" I detected from him was just blaring the same stuff about wanting to go to electrical tonight (which I'm just gonna call out as sus on a setup level because that place is a death trap in the actual Skeld map, and the site of a sabotage option).
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:10 am
by Taly
SirCakez wrote:You think Haschel is bussing?
I don't know why else
Haschel
focuses on
Titus
unless it's like him as town to just sit on one person for the entirety of D1.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:19 am
by Taly
be back soon
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:23 am
by Blitzo
MC's vote analysis post doesn't really seem to come to any actual conclusions and I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish with it.
I also don't understand BM's statement on how Titus is confscum but I know I'm not getting anything in the way of an explanation.
@Taly - I'm not sure what you mean you're going to create more chaos?
Reads like an excuse to not vote tbh.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:24 am
by Taly
wait hold up, my vote should at least reflect my current POV
unless it's like him as town to just sit on one person for the entirety of D1.
to be perfectly candid, i can see a situation where
titus
is town more so than
haschel
with this idea.
k for real, ill be back soon
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:32 am
by Battle Mage
In post 2217, Blitzo wrote:MC's vote analysis post doesn't really seem to come to any actual conclusions and I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish with it.
I also don't understand BM's statement on how Titus is confscum but I know I'm not getting anything in the way of an explanation.
@Taly - I'm not sure what you mean you're going to create more chaos?
Reads like an excuse to not vote tbh.
I feel like Blitzo's posts all follow the same basic structure:
Player X did this. I don't understand.
Player Y did this. I am confused.
Player Z said this. I don't know what they mean.
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:34 am
by Battle Mage
with 5 hours left, looks like no-lim is inevitable anyway. no time to get a last minute claim from anybody, and I don't favour elimming without that.
In post 1932, Blitzo wrote:Yeah I guess I only repeatedly pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Actually I just recalled the only other time we interacted and it was when I pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Then you continued not explaining your reads.
But I guess it's okay if you wanna keep pushing this angle where you're so transparent and clear when you haven't done even the slightest bit of reasoning.
Someone just pointed out how your reads are forming (RE - being based on whether someone scum/townreads you) and I think that's actually pretty accurate.
If there's something I missed definitely point it out because I'm just not seeing someone scumhunting tbh.
I slightly wonder why hypothetical Blitzo-scum would risk engaging with me here
, although maybe he is more brazen than I'd expect. The hyperbole and exaggeration above are worth flagging, as is the piggy-backing off a suggestion by Cakez (which actually misrepped Cakez a bit, but was super convenient for skimming-scum-Blitzo). After I call him out for not really engaging with me, he actually makes a half-hearted cover in the last line, but is it believable? In his last post, he claimed near 100% certainty I was scum. It feels more like he was suddenly under pressure and to feign a solving-mindset, rather than town who genuinely has doubts.
Overall I think Blitzo is scum and I am content to elim there today.
In the general no-lim sense? Or you don't think that looks like BM acting like they know Blitzo is town, starting to make a self-doubt post, and then spending the rest of the post on a 100% assumption of Blitzo-scum.