Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:19 am
I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.In post 2196, Wisdom wrote:Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:20 am
Already said that and in that case scum don’t try to PR fish.In post 2198, Wisdom wrote:dude theyd know who the protective is and theyd just kill them
Think before you post
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:20 am
Excuse me, why is Wisdom town to you?In post 2193, Venus Fly Trap wrote:I mean obviously i would claim pr here as scum to draw the cc ...In post 2181, Wisdom wrote:Scum-Venus doesnt claim a pr to draw ccs because..?
I'm not getting flipped because i'm scum, or even because a majority of people in this pl think i'm scum
I'm getting flipped because lld got it in her brain that i'm scum and its a ridiculously easy position for scum to sheep (and just noting, again, that *this* is the wagon that's getting sheeped, and not dunn or bears)
Most of the people voting me dont even think i'm scum
Town: lld, Wisdom, critterIn post 2, Cabd wrote:Gamma Emerald
Towelie (hydra of borkjerfkin and notscience)
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha (hydra of PookyTheMagicalBear and Noraa)
Venus Fly Trap (hydra of skitter30 and lilith2013)
Dunnstral
Wisdom
Lady Lambdadelta
Something_Smart
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko Toogeloo
Townlean: towelie, ssbm
Idk/in the middle: gamma, dunn
Scumlean: mm, ss, strangematter, mush
Ss: emmi
Largely the same as before, except towelie has gone up, and mush and dunn have gone down
After i flip i'd start by looking at the votes on wagon, in particular mush and dunn's
These are my reads, and where i think u ought to look tom
I'll be around more after work, if i'm not flipped yet
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:20 am
Yep that.In post 2200, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.In post 2196, Wisdom wrote:Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc
Giving VFT 1 hour more or less or anyone before hammer
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:20 am
Yep that.In post 2200, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.In post 2196, Wisdom wrote:Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc
Giving VFT 1 hour more or less or anyone before hammer
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:23 am
my argument is not bad but youre about to hammer town so i dont care to convince you further
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:37 am
Morning everyone. After last night, when I found in a brief scan that my reasons to scumread VFT were INCORRECT AND FALSE (if we lim all liars, start with my memory!), I still found my head going "so, scum still." And I could not figure it out. More experienced players are less likely to collapse in defeat after a strong push, that's a noob-town-tell, so its absence is expected and NAI. VFT has been rather single-minded in terms of engagement (which I find weird for a hydra especially) but that feels town-ish if it's AI at all. There's nothing else there that could lead me to that conclusion from VFT's corner.
So I stepped back a bit and looked at what other players are doing around VFT -- this is risky, but it clearly isn't anything VFT is doing getting me a scumread on their corner, so where's it coming from? Well, I think I figured it out. I think my read on scum is coming from the wagon trajectory. It stalls out and backfires at the exact point I'd expect it to if the wagon was on decent scum in a 13p game. And THAT isn't coming from memory, I checked: it's hovered at about 5 since LLD dropped the initial push -- despite a lot of promises to jump on board from off-wagon for a while now.
That has a pretty decent track record for spotting scum in my personal experience -- at least twice in Death Curse (looked into it), once in a newbie game I played (ditto), and I feel like I've seen it before in games from off-site or other games I wasn't playing in on-site (this is the faulty memory talking, take with salt). I think it MIGHT have been brought up by people here in this thread before me, but I think they were more pointing at the off-wagon pushers and the stallers than at VFT, where when I checked in on where this would land, I found the red flashing over VFT.
Maybe (? I don't know) that's what caught my attention before, and I just forgot about it but confbiased my way to reading VFT as scum for their actions (as opposed to how others are acting on their wagon) because the feeling was unshakable and unplaceable (presumably true because that's how it felt this morning) and I had low focus and low energy to invest in the game (def true). Hard to say, I'm speculating on my own fucking motivations which can't end well for anyone, but that's where I'm at now that I have a clear head, there's no distractions in the game thread and I've had time to really interrogate myself and my feelings on the gamestate.
So I stepped back a bit and looked at what other players are doing around VFT -- this is risky, but it clearly isn't anything VFT is doing getting me a scumread on their corner, so where's it coming from? Well, I think I figured it out. I think my read on scum is coming from the wagon trajectory. It stalls out and backfires at the exact point I'd expect it to if the wagon was on decent scum in a 13p game. And THAT isn't coming from memory, I checked: it's hovered at about 5 since LLD dropped the initial push -- despite a lot of promises to jump on board from off-wagon for a while now.
That has a pretty decent track record for spotting scum in my personal experience -- at least twice in Death Curse (looked into it), once in a newbie game I played (ditto), and I feel like I've seen it before in games from off-site or other games I wasn't playing in on-site (this is the faulty memory talking, take with salt). I think it MIGHT have been brought up by people here in this thread before me, but I think they were more pointing at the off-wagon pushers and the stallers than at VFT, where when I checked in on where this would land, I found the red flashing over VFT.
Maybe (? I don't know) that's what caught my attention before, and I just forgot about it but confbiased my way to reading VFT as scum for their actions (as opposed to how others are acting on their wagon) because the feeling was unshakable and unplaceable (presumably true because that's how it felt this morning) and I had low focus and low energy to invest in the game (def true). Hard to say, I'm speculating on my own fucking motivations which can't end well for anyone, but that's where I'm at now that I have a clear head, there's no distractions in the game thread and I've had time to really interrogate myself and my feelings on the gamestate.
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:45 am
This is the first argument for VFT scum that I actually agree with.
Just giving people a chance to get last thoughts in
Just giving people a chance to get last thoughts in
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:53 am
The only accurate thing in your postIn post 2206, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:confbiased my way to reading VFT as scum
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:27 am
In post 2203, Critter wrote:Yep that.In post 2200, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, except that they don't get the benefit of this argument you're currently making.In post 2196, Wisdom wrote:Even if thats the case it doesnt harm vft to claim doc
Giving VFT 1 hour more or less or anyone before hammer
VOTE: VFTIn post 1631, Critter wrote:Remember this if day ends when I am afkIn post 415, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:It was one of the last ones I tried before I started calorie counting and i really liked it. It was like sparkling berry, reminded me a little of whiteout which I guess makes sense because it was a mixture of whiteout code red and voltageIn post 110, E. M. M. I. wrote:Just curious; how popular is/was Mountain Dew DEW*S*A?
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:50 am
Driving. Flip upon getting home.
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:00 pm
Vote Count 1-21 (Final)
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:01 pm
Venus Fly Trap,
Sprite the Mafia Goon,
was sent to no-caffine jail (eliminated) day one.
Night one begins now and will last for 48 hours: (expired on 2021-11-03 20:01:42)
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:22 pm
Something_Smart,
Pitch Black the Town Compulsive 1-shot Weak Hider,
was too grape to exist amongst you peons so shuffled off to the dead thread.
Lady Lamdadelta,
Diet Dew the Town Macho Activated Innocent Child,
decided to follow a new fad.
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:35 pm
Vote Count 2-1
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:39 pm
VOTE: wisdom
-b
-b
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:40 pm
Embracing my inner cab and using voice to text. It is pretty clearly wisdom from something smart and the other buddy is a very bad bear
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:47 pm
I can vibe a Wisdom vote.
VOTE: Wisdom
Shocked not dead tbh
VOTE: Wisdom
Shocked not dead tbh
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:47 pm
In post 1613, Something_Smart wrote:Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.In post 1610, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:48 pm
Time to figure out who Smart hid behind because it’s doubtful he picked LLD
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:49 pm
In post 2219, Critter wrote:Time to figure out who Smart hid behind because it’s doubtful he picked LLD
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:50 pm
Ah so you are arguing me. Alas I can assure you that’s not possible as I am provable town so…In post 2218, Dunnstral wrote:In post 1613, Something_Smart wrote:Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.In post 1610, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:51 pm
He clearly Targeted Wisdom stop being dumb.
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:53 pm
I am voting Wisdom.In post 2222, Towelie wrote:He clearly Targeted Wisdom stop being dumb.
I was countering Dunn’s suggestion.
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:07 pm
Home now can actually post stuff
I am good copping notty to knock the snark off Critter, we got scum to kill
-b
I am good copping notty to knock the snark off Critter, we got scum to kill
In post 935, Something_Smart wrote:I don't really get Wisdom's reads this game. I have a lot of respect for him, and I basically sheeped him to victory in 8-ball, but they don't really feel satisfying.
That said, after 8-ball, he's firmly in my "never exe D1" box.
In post 1120, Something_Smart wrote:Okay, I guess...
ssbm_Kyouko
Critter, MUSHSHAGANA
Everyone else
Wisdom
If that isn't satisfying, well, I told you so.
The existence of these posts just heavily, heavily point to wisdom as the hidee (especially the last one, a scum read he specifically didn't want elimmed that day. hmmmmmmm)In post 1564, Something_Smart wrote:All right, here goes:In post 1562, Critter wrote:I would love it. Even if it’s just me. Because more sorts.
Gamma Emerald
Towelie
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha
Venus Fly Trap
Dunnstral
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko
-b