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good point...
so what other demons/players need to die for you to win?

reverse death miller? lmao. kai i think you're more likely to be scum than the chances of spyrex being a reverse death miller. dtm or exe scum wouldn't shock the fuck out of me but let's keep with the plan for now.

Parama wrote:

Kairyuu wrote:Parama MIGHT be a serial killer of some sort, though the likelyhood is slim.

WIFOM, but if I'm a SK, why the hell would I target somebody already dead?

Hence, the likelyhood is slim. Personally, I think that if you are lying about your role then you ONLY have to make sure the demons are dead, at which point you win and leave the game. Please note that EVEN IF THIS IS TRUE, I want to give you the win because you've helped the town quite a bit.

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@Faraday: Did I mention that I'm triple alignment confirmed? Also, the only reason I even mentioned the possibility is because SC flipped some weird neutral jester-type role when he was defeated, but flipped red scum when he was destroyed. False flips have already been shown to be possible. The point of that post though, was to give a worst-case scenerio if Fate is right and the last scum is NOT contained within Elli/TL/Kise. The plan is moving forward.

Kise wrote:good point...
so what other demons/players need to die for you to win?

Exe needs to go, and there needs to be a way to destroy Ythan and BC.

So I said Inhim was probably lying about me being confirmed in his role PM because I'm scum?

That's some sad logic Kai. In your own words you realize that means I outed myself as scum.

And I don't do that shit.

If it wasn't some sort of warning (the like of which I HAVE done before as scum) then why would you even suggest him to be lying? The motivation is not there as any alignment because it makes an apparent confirmation less definitive. As town, you should know Inhim is town, and therefore take anything he claims about his role PM to be fact. As scum, you'd know he was lying, but he would be lying in a way which CONFIRMS YOU TOWN, so there should be no reason to even bring up the possibility of a lie. In neither situation does it make sense to say that you think he is lying. Why then, did you do it?

Cause I'm fuckin Fate and you can't predict Fate.

But seriously, the fallacy in your post is that "...is town...take anything he says to be fact" as if town can't lie or something.

Lulz.

You wanted to hammer confirm Ooba yesterday Kai.

Didn't you?

DIDNT YOU?

MHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM????????

@Fate: Lying townies hurt the town FAR more often than they help it. As such, the assumption should be that someone you KNOW to be town is NOT lying. It's common sense. Personally, I have only been in ONE situation over the course of 2 full years playing here that I've found it beneficial to the town to lie. This was Mind Screw 4 where I omitted the part of my role that mentioned I could be killed by pretty much anything. This delayed my death by quite a bit and nearly allowed Kinetic's game-break to succeed.

And yes, I wanted to hammer confirm ooba prior to the Snow_Bunny/Elli situation. If I had, he would have died and the day would have ended. I'm glad I didn't

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You're right if Inhim is lying to protect me he's HURTING TOWN cause he's protecting you.

AND YOU IS SCUMMY>

Kai do me a god damn favor and give me the web of night actions going on right now.

Because I have no fuckin' clue why you're still alive and I'm pretty sure you've never called for your own protection.

Elli (5): Faraday, Elli, SB, benmage, gandalf, Kairyuu

BASTARD OR NO BASTARD I KNOW THERES FUCKIN SCUM ON THIS OOBA COUNTER WAGON.

AND HOHOHOHO EVERYONE THERE IS "CONFIRMED."

I SMELL BULLSHIT.

He did back on D3 or something, I actually think D2, when I was told to make DTM the bomb

btw if DTM is scum someone needs to visit him so he can die

@Fate: See, this whole "I must be unpredictable" thing is becoming annoying. I have laid it out before, but I will do it again for your benefit because apparently you cannot read.

1. My ability is confirmed in that I have proven THREE TIMES that my vote went away when I hammered someone.
2. The number of people + me that I have confirmed is FAR TOO LARGE to be a scumgroup. Therefore, coupled with my ability confirmation, I am alignment confirmed.
3. BloodCovenant is dead and has flipped town. He was my D2 hammer confirm, so EVEN IF I had lied about 2 originally, and gandalf was actually my buddy who I saved from a lynch, the fact that BC flipped town means that I MUST BE TOWN ALSO because I cannot hammer those who share an alignment with me.
4. Assuming Inhim was telling the truth about you and I being confirmed to him, which I DO assume, since he is confirmed to me, I am ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED FOR A THIRD TIME.

So you want the "web of Night actions" targetting me? Fine. DTM claims that he targetted me N1. THERE ARE AT LEAST 3 KILLS MISSING N1. Given the current claims, DTM blocking the kills is the ONLY explanation. MEANING I WAS TARGETTED FOR MULTIPLE KILLS N1. In addition to that, I set up a chain consisting of Exe, DTM, and TL to protect me N2. TL made DTM a bomb, DTM protected Exe, and Exe Stalked me. THIS IS THE NIGHT THAT THE CHAIN WAS BREAKABLE. If EITHER OF THE LINKS WERE SCUM there was a scum RB active then I could have been killed, and a roleblocker could have been blamed. THIS IS WHY EXE AND DTM ARE ALMOST DEFINITELY TOWN. After this point, DTM was rigged to explode, so I could merely have him protect me, which I did N3. There is PHYSICALLY NO WAY I CAN BE SCUM. ARE YOU SATISFIED?

Oh, and if the above isn't good enough for people, the solution is very simple. If the game doesn't end after all of the unconfirmed are either confirmed or dead we can have Exe stalk DTM, killing them both.

I find it odd that Fate and Kai are fighting. Fate has been losing touch with this game I thinks.
Have we hammer confirmed Kise yet? If not, let's do so. Likely scum IMO.





BTW Let's stick to the damn plan. We haven't finished confirming everyone yet, and I don't see any reason to stop doing so just because "we feel like the game ought to probably maybe be over by now." No thx, let's stick with the plan.

Fate wrote:

Elli (5): Faraday, Elli, SB, benmage, gandalf, Kairyuu

BASTARD OR NO BASTARD I KNOW THERES FUCKIN SCUM ON THIS OOBA COUNTER WAGON.

AND HOHOHOHO EVERYONE THERE IS "CONFIRMED."

I SMELL BULLSHIT.

Elli himself is still possible scum. Seeing as we've let multiple neutral-ish roles survive, neutral wasn't a bad claim for a scum to have used.

@Exe: Pay attention please. We need to hold off on the hammer confirmation until we have all of the info we're waiting on. Also, race claims off the top of my head:

Human:
Kairyuu
Fate
Inhim

Soul:
Kise
Faraday

Fantasy:
DTM
gandalf

Demon:
Exe

I don't remember:
Snow_Bunny
Elli
SpyreX
TL
Parama

Mmk.

Parama - Fantasy - Demon Slayer Day Vig/Haunt Removal
Ellibereth - Fantasy - BP, Jailkeeper, Combined Reviver + Vig
TheLonging - Fantasy - Bombmaker,
DTMaster - Fantasy - Night Doctor, Lover to Gandalf
Gandalf5166 - Fantasy - Day Doctor, Reviver

Kairyuu - Human - Order Confirm Hammerer, Vanillierizer, Knows IHIM is town
Inhimshallibe - Human - ????, Knows both Fate and Kai as town
Fate - Human - Vote Stickyer (makes someone's vote sticks), can reset the VC and only Fate and Fate's Target can be lynched, Ihim is Town

Kise - Soul - Unknown, must be on lynching wagons or else Kise gets bored. If Ultimate triggers and Benmage is alive, he dies. If Faraday is alive, Faraday dies.
Faraday - Soul - Body Guard, Had a QT with Reck, Benmage/Kise, Chronopie, ??? Ultimate, triggers if protecting Benmage/Kise sucessfully

Exe - Demon - Combined Watcher/Tracker, One shot dodge any ability, all females know if Exe targets them, if use ultimate, females will destroy Exe., Haunt: RB
Snow_Bunny - Demon - Death Tracker, Vig powers (that requires recharge time), Haunt: Gives Target the first result of Death Track

Oh forgot, Parama's ultimate is a 3 target ability redirect (effectively it means the target and Parama is bused, and the action goes to Parama) and anyone targeting Parama dies.

So Parama can kill 3 people at once if he wanted to.

Actually, the fact that Parama didn't kill everyone in that chain of confirmations is kinda neat, if Parama targeted Exe, Kai and Benmage, he could have killed Me, Exe, Faraday all at once as scum.

Thx.
Just looking at claims, I find Elli scum highly likely.

Wait Snow_Bunny is a demon too? :< man I have a lot of work to do

KAI STOP BELIEVING.

RIGHT NOW.

PLUS YOU'RE ONLY CONFIRMED IF WE BELIEVE YOUR ABILITY WORKS HOW YOU SAY IT DOES. MAYBE YOU JUST AREN'T ABLE TO HAMMER ANYONE AND RIGGED UP A NICE LIL PLAN.

SO THERE.