Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Ythan]

Anyone else suspicious that substrike hasn't been posting at all today?

Smells like scum if you ask me.

Seriously, some of the worst most obviously scummy coattailing I've ever seen.

[Ythan]

This isn't spectacularly important, but I think Mafuyu has a posting restriction that forces her to speak in 3rd person. Maybe she's Tingle. END OF SPECULATION.

Tingle isn't in OoT.

[Ythan]

Nik: your point on sages being scum if they have not attacked another sage is pure shite. There is a block of players of which the majority is probtown. At this point in the game there are bigger scum to fry than those with possible sleeper prs.
Your insistence on lynching you over the others has also been noted.

OHOHO WHAT HAVE WE HERE you sure are attacking Nik hard for this. You clearly don't get the argument, either. Or you're just attacking him because, you know. Your craziness has been noted.

[Ythan]

The other possible explination is that Exilon fake claimed Zelda, and never actually investigated me. Hence, he never visited me, and that is why he is still alive.

Just throwing that out there, in the event that there is no shift discovered.

lol

Three letters sum it up better than a paragraph could.

[Ythan]

sorry forgot about this game almos, been busy this week.

i told you guys fate was scum! ythan is his buddy clearly, if you read back you see that they never suspected eachotehr once and were trying to lead town!

plz vote for ythan today fate being scum should be enoough you guys should listen to me now. i wish my roll wasnt so dumb and i could vote

Reck said I would know who Navi was as soon as they posted. And Navi is an obnoxious useless twat. Hmm...

[Ythan]

That was a block post full of nothing. Good job Substrike.

Please make an effort to actually address it instead of just being a hair better than Aikage.

[Nikanor]

Someone die and make you general? I don't like that we're just buying this mason claim when LLD has been seen as scummy and then Exilon comes forth with info that he has a guilty read on her. I think we should give Beefster his chance to identify a shift, it'll give us confirmed and usable information.

You're going to do what I tell you to do, because if you don't, it's your funeral. Just think of this as an opportunity to find scum. You can do that, can't you?
If you can give me a reason to not do exactly as I said, do so. Otherwise, you'll follow my instructions and be damned happy I'm here to walk you through this game. Understood?

It is pretty likely that there was a shift yesterday. If the shift was -13, as we suspect, then Exilon's investigation hit a claimed miller.

How in the fuck does this say that Fate flipped SK, especially when he's the same team as another person? I'm really just not understanding how you all came to such a completely stupid conclusion. There's no evidence that they are SK. We don't have role PMs just from this.

BUT EXILON CLAIMED BOSS-COP.
AND FATE FLIPPED A BOSS, SCUM.
THAT MEANS HE WAS SK RITE.

[RayFrost]

it's not blue

lolwut? "it's not the hero (town) aligned color, so it must be SK!"

How in the fuck does this say that Fate flipped SK, especially when he's the same team as another person? I'm really just not understanding how you all came to such a completely stupid conclusion. There's no evidence that they are SK. We don't have role PMs just from this.

BUT EXILON CLAIMED BOSS-COP.
AND FATE FLIPPED A BOSS, SCUM.
THAT MEANS HE WAS SK RITE.

... please tell me you're joking.

Please.

[Nikanor]

... please tell me you're joking.

Please.

I don't joke about mafia. It is serious business.

Yes of course I am joking. They were obviously mafia. Unless every other boss claims miller and Exilon flips scum I'm going to go ahead and assume that Fate and JABOC were boss-scum and that boss-scum is yellow.

[Ythan]

The miller flavor refers to the bosses as former scum, in a sense. Maybe the game is taking place after the seven years have passed. After all, Koume and Kotake, sages sealed in the Sacred Realm, etc. In that case perhaps the first three bosses (Gohma, Dodongo, Barinade) are truly millers and the others (Phantom Ganon, Volvagia, etc, Twinrova) are not.

[Ythan]

Also Shiek.

[Nikanor]

In that case perhaps the first three bosses (Gohma, Dodongo, Barinade) are truly millers and the others (Phantom Ganon, Volvagia, etc, Twinrova) are not.

Said the guy who dislikes flavour spec.

[Ythan]

Where did I say I dislike it. Oh right I didn't you don't know what you're talking about.

[Nikanor]

Where did I say I dislike it. Oh right I didn't you don't know what you're talking about.

I knew there was a reason for why I started ignoring you.

[Ythan]

Is this the game where I

haven't

been consistently reiterating that I don't dislike flavor speculation? It isn't?

[Ythan]

Where did I say I dislike it. Oh right I didn't you don't know what you're talking about.

I knew there was a reason for why I started ignoring you.

Is it because you're full of shit and don't take a shine to backing up your statements when they are seen to directly contradict evidence in the thread? Probably?

[Ythan]

Don't worry, as soon as you show where I said I dislike flavor speculation this will all blow over.

[DTMaster]

1. @Beef A bit late. I'm keeping my vote on Dekes for now since you did your second rollout. If it fails again I'll self vote for the shift analysis.

2. Based on experience of Ozimadar shifts

a. The shift can change, but it only changes per day cycle. (Therefore it is constant for the day/night cycle that we observe. So it should be the same for what Beefster observes today) Since we have a failed result, Beefster is our only reliable way to find what the shift is.
b. The shift is passive and is either a random function or inputted by the player. Usually. But since we have Cupcake being successful it's possible that we have an active ability (or his resolves first, or something else is in play).

3. I just got weird tinglings between NL's defence of BE. The defense is out of place since LL points out an interesting point. BE's reaction to the double vote weirdness supports NL's idea though. Plus his role's penalty system doesn't make sense as a scum role (just simply put it works best as an anti-town town aligned or maybe neutral role due to the self votes that pile on).

4. I "headfacedesked" at the SK speculation. We had 2 yellow flips. Both are witches/bosses that make Twinrova. We have a claimed boss-cop. Logic says boss-scum = mafias.

Only mafia could determine these two as SK since they would be not of their factions,

and would know that a pair of non-town players just flipped as a non-mafia faction.

Herper derpa. I would attack hard on LL and Chess but: LL is a mason >>;;. Chess is confirmable via suicidal role.

5. Substrike: Iso post 20/21 should be sufficent.

6. Substrike: We've discussed the possibility of the shift already. Hence Beefster is the most accurate way of determining the shift for Exlion because his role is a public action that shows who loses their vote. Exlion's action is just a guilty/not guilty and from his claim: Reckamonic won't tell him who he actually investigated.

You are eons behind in the discussion since we are at the testing phase. Beefster's result now determines if Exlion is lying or not.

7. Substrike: Ihmo here is a summary of the people who've you said you disliked: Cupcake, Nikanor, Rayfrost, GIS, Exlion/LLD, Chess. As someone who claims to be publically scumhunting multiple people (i.e. advancing your case on your scum list and weeding out potential neighbour scum), you're missing half of the equation in that you're mainly focusing on the mason group, GIS, Ray (based on his reaction I assume he's not a neighbour since he's asking them to claim. That and your attack appears to support this.) are all people who appear to be outside the neighbour group.

Chronopie can you confirm that Substrike is attempting to add pressure on the sages in the QT? I find it odd in his claim that he says they are scum hunting on both public and QT fronts when I don't see Substrike doing it publically since his scum list are all non-neighbours (or at least appear to be. Rayfrost's status is not determined.) If substrike isn't doing that effectively in QT I'd suspect he's one.

8. I'm reading Aikage and I'm getting a headache. It's like pure shottyism here. I have a conflicted read on him since

we should do meta research on the player based on his super poor game play so far.

I suspect we have a second shotty here. Particularity in how Aikage demonstrated his non-voting status and his soft claim, it gives good VI vibes. But if someone shot the man I wouldn't mind. I would mind if someone wanted to lynch the person though.

[DTMaster]

Addition: His point on GIS was also revealing since it pointed out both Fate-scum and GIS town reads. Aka Aikage was right. We should take some of his stuff srzly. I mean for real.

[DTMaster]

Oh wat...... Aikage is a newbie?

[DTMaster]

@Moth
I missed your post lolz. Oopsies. Anyways:

a. Yes there is scum but just because you say it's a "better probability" isn't accurate. Assuming 1-2 scum in the neighbor group in the pool of 6, there would be 2-4 outside the pool which if this was a full pool: 2-4/22 players. This is assuming 1 scum team, average number of scum in a large theme. Technically it's easier to find scum in 1/3 chance (under the condition of there is 2 scum in the neighbours) then 2/11 (in a pool of non neighbours).

It's probably not exactly like that but I believe these are the chances if you shoot in the dark.

b. We still need to deal with the neighbours. Whether now, or later, ignoring potential scum is bad. We should multi attack/pressure so we catch them. That involves some time dealing with the neighbours.

c. Either way, both A and B which you are worried about in tunneling into your group is solved by scum hunting normally. Your fussiness is odd since there are far stronger cases on Substrike (neighbour) without the neighbour argument.

d. As well how can you judge which scum is more dangerous then the other? Especially since there is a high chance of fake claims. Why should we believe that a neighbour scum is actually a sleeper role. That seems odd that you can judge scum's role power based on what group they belong in, rather then simply attacking players since they are scum. All scum, regardless of what role needs to die. We judge scum roles when the situation arises (i.e. multi factions where we leash one person to be our night vig. This has been done with SKs many a time, or in Jungle Mafia the Werewolf helped the town take down the mafia group and got lynched) but not when we're hunting for them

[Substrike22]

That was a block post full of nothing. Good job Substrike.

Hypocrite.

[Kdub]

Beefster's plan sounds good to me so that we can at least try to figure out if there is any funny business going on today. Then we can talk about what to do with Exilon's ability.

VOTE: Kdub

First

off, Fate flipped SK, not scum. Slight difference, but a major one if you are arguing guilt by association.

I'm curious how you came to this conclusion since Fate's flip, as has been pointed out, doesn't say anything about SK.

1) Exilon is scum. LLD flips town, we lynch Exilon the next day (or he blames it on flavor spec/miller/etc.)
2) Exilon is town, LLD flips town, see above flavor spec, possibly caused by a shift to another person
3) Exilon is town, LLD is scum, tells us every "mason" is scum. Exilon, have you checked any of the other claimed masons? That'd pretty much resolve that...
4) Exilon is scum, LLD is scum, Exilon is busing the rest of team. (possible, not likely.)
5) Any other scenario I haven't thought of that someone else would like to bring up?

Could be multiple scum groups or 3rd party. All bets are off if that's the case. First things first, let's figure out if there is a shift today.

Also, I am tentatively going to

FoS: DTM

. I will explain at some point in the future if/when certain information is revealed.

[chesskid3]

dat snowman guy said SK, not me.

[Chronopie]

Fate [KOUME],

Fire Witch Lover Copblocker Plant-Killer

, killed N1
Just A Bit Off-Center [KOTAKE],

Ice Witch Lover Jailkeeper Water-Killer

, committed suicide N1

It is now Day 2. Deadline is 3 weeks from this post.

Okay guys, help me out here.

How in the fuck does this say that Fate flipped SK, especially when he's the same team as another person? I'm really just not understanding how you all came to such a completely stupid conclusion. There's no evidence that they are SK. We don't have role PMs just from this.

It was LLD who came up with SK specifically. not Ray. -.-

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What bugs me though is that

IF

they were part of a larger mafia, why: 1) are they lovers? having lover mafiates kills two with one stone, giving town a one-up. 2) If they're meant to be bosses, why are they not

Twinrova

, in any way, shape, or form? (As evidenced by the fact I still have QT access etc. etc.)

If they were an SK pair, that would explain the lover role.

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Isn't supersaint a lynch only role? like a bomb? does that mean two kills? one on UT, the other on Fate?