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Wraith wrote:Hey guys, I'm gonna use ward on someone tonight. Can someone use their rez kit on me tonight?

Gonna look at the ISOs of El G and kunkstar, see whose lynch I like better.

^I don't like this at all. Why are you trying to direct res. kittage? Surely its up to people to decide who to res themselves? I assume you're still thinking Ben is targetting you, but even so, res-kit townies ought to decide themselves who is worthy of a kit.

And you do also realise that cult can Ward you to prevent your ward from working, and you don't get told if your ward failed, right? And if someone res's you, you won't know if the noise you heard came from cult warding you. Essentially we've lost all faith in the success of your ward, making it a pointless night action for you to now take. You'll have to come up with something else.

Anyway, the above piqued my interest, and so I looked at you in ISO...I noticed that you:
(a) tried to set-up subsequent lynch targets in the event of an RC-town flip (in the same post that you voted for him)
(b) voted for what you claimed was dead-stone murderer-Benmage over your cult-suspect(s)
(c) said you'd advocate the Ben-murder-Fate plan if you had a res kit...and it seemed to suggest you'd advocate it today (ISO #30). If Ben revealed his target and it wasn't you, would you still go for it?
(d) said Hito was scum, and you'd go after him "tomorrow" - what happened to that?
(e) earlier asked for TWO res'es. You even claimed to KNOW you were being targeted by the cult.
(f) faff about Ben, saying he has to claim his target, no he doesn't, yes he does, no he doesn't
(g) say the Benmage-could-be-cult argument is a damn good point (ISO #67) and then say it's awfully convoluted (ISO #75)

All in all, I'm getting a definite scum-vibe from these posts.

Wraith wrote:Predit: @manho: that's because of this post, which is explanation for my previously-stated suspicion on El G

but that would still be the case if kunkstar flipped scum.

will read kunkstar next.

Back off AV, Wraith is Town because of rewq. Don't read into him too much, seriously. Do what I do, consciously ignore him. When I started paying attention to Wraith, we made the mistake of lynching him. We read into him too much, and subsequently smeared our clean sweep on the recently finished LOTR Mafia.

@AV: I'm asking for a rez because of about 99% certian that I'm Benmage's stalk target.

Wraith wrote:@AV: I'm asking for a rez because of about 99% certian that I'm Benmage's stalk target.

What makes you say that anyway?

To start with, I was the primary advocate of Fate yesterday and pushed very very hard for a Benmage lynch, and came close. Benmage is know to be someone who keeps personal grudges for in-game actions.

Benmage wrote:

Wraith wrote:Also: I searched and have a rez kit, and I strongly believe I am Benmage's target.

LAL you received a fetish and you think I stalked you, yet you only claim one insanity.
vote wraith

Then there's this post. If he hadn't stalked me he wouldn't have thought I was lying.

I don't buy that post as meaning he stalked you. It seems he thinks you were fake-claiming because your insanities didn't match with your proposed thoughts.

Wraith, care to respond to any of the other questions that I asked?

@Wraith: You forget that Benmage prides himself as an awesome scumhunter and you are obviously not scum. I'd think he targetted better obvscummier people than you, actually.

Stop being stupid, you are a good Town read and it is becoming increasingly difficult to defend you when you do stupid things.

(a) tried to set-up subsequent lynch targets in the event of an RC-town flip (in the same post that you voted for him)
(b) voted for what you claimed was dead-stone murderer-Benmage over your cult-suspect(s)
(c) said you'd advocate the Ben-murder-Fate plan if you had a res kit...and it seemed to suggest you'd advocate it today (ISO #30). If Ben revealed his target and it wasn't you, would you still go for it?
(d) said Hito was scum, and you'd go after him "tomorrow" - what happened to that?
(e) earlier asked for TWO res'es. You even claimed to KNOW you were being targeted by the cult.
(f) faff about Ben, saying he has to claim his target, no he doesn't, yes he does, no he doesn't
(g) say the Benmage-could-be-cult argument is a damn good point (ISO #67) and then say it's awfully convoluted (ISO #75)

a) total misrep, I said we should "take a look" at those people, not lynch them.. And if you bother meta-ing me, you'll find that I say things like that rather often - I like keeping possibilities open, and putting them out there.

b) What can I say? One less kill of a townie is one less kill. I believe I explained this thoroughly in an earlier post.

c)I would have advocated it if I had a rez kit, because I would have rezz'd Fate for sure. I couldn't trust anyone else to do it, and I didn't have a rez kit, so I wanted to stop the kill entirely. I've explained this. As for Ben revealing tonight's target: if it wasn't me, I wouldn't support it, but I wouldn't want him lynched as fanatically.

d)I believe I said in a later post that was me just being butthurt.

e) That was because I was passed a fetish. However, I later learned that you can't be ritual'd the next night after being passed.

f) Throughout this day, I have always advocated Ben claiming his target. AFAIK I have never said the opposite all day. Another misrep.

g) Meaning, it's possible, but it requires so much WIFOM regarding his play that it's impractical.

Anyways, I just want a rez just in case, and I've dropped the subject for now. Be happy for that.

Also, @VV: I was very vocal during the latter period of D1. It would be awfully scummy if I suddenly disappeared without explanation, don't you agree?

Wraith wrote:

(a) tried to set-up subsequent lynch

targets

in the event of an RC-town flip (in the same post that you voted for him)

a) total misrep, I said we should "take a look" at those people, not lynch them.. And if you bother meta-ing me, you'll find that I say things like that rather often - I like keeping possibilities open, and putting them out there.

Please pay attention to the bolded. I said lynch targets - i.e. "people we should take a look at". Not a misrep after all, eh?

Wraith wrote:f) Throughout this day, I have always advocated Ben claiming his target. AFAIK I have never said the opposite all day. Another misrep.

Wraith wrote:You know what?

Benmage doesn't have to claim his target,

because he basically said his target was me in this post:

Benmage wrote:

Wraith wrote:Also: I searched and have a rez kit, and I strongly believe I am Benmage's target.

LAL you received a fetish and you think I stalked you, yet you only claim one insanity.

vote wraith

If he hadn't stalked me, he wouldn't have thought I had two insanities and "lied" about it.

Oh - not a misrep after all, eh?

I don't have time to get into the rest, but thought I'd point out that I don't buy your deflections.

Furcolow wrote:

Baby Spice wrote:

VaVa wrote:But he can help the Town because he is the closest thing we have to a confirmed investigator.

Disagree. i believe that honour goes to Wickedest.

NO NO NO

go read stars aligned II and see how resuscitation can

RUIN

town
this is

WIFOM

SAII was bad only because Plum claimed to resuscitate, not to be the resuscitat-ee. Phate (I think it was Phate anyway) was basically confirmed town after he was saved. Really, it's the claimed rezzers that we have to watch closest.

VP Baltar wrote:Hey Nicodemus, what's going on man? I'm not a fan of you lurking so much. I'd like to hear your thoughts soon.

(Actually a lot of people fall in this category, but Nico seems a priority.)

Yeah, lurking is going on, I apologize. Even though this game has slowed down, I still haven't been able to go back and catch up on the 40 pages of D1 that I missed, although I'm hoping to read through it this weekend. It's especially frustrating when I'm missing some crucial information, for instance, the bulk of the MoI case information.

Still, I have read over the kunk and MoI cases, and they both look valid. Kunk really has been concentrating more on theory than anything else, and even if that is his favorite part of the setup, as he claims, it shouldn't be focused on to the exclusion of scumhunting. Early targetting of Furc looked opportunistic as well. And his response posts have a real "everybody calm down" quality to them, which I've seen out of him as scum before. In my experience, kunkscum likes to be the voice of reason and moderation, and that's really what I'm getting out of him this game.

Before I address MoI, I'm going to tell everyone a story. In my day to day life, and maybe even moreso when playing mafia, I totally psych myself out when interacting with people who have "reputations". If someone is notable or whatever, I end up paying more attention to them and valuing their thoughts and opinions more than others. It's a huge weakness of mine, but it happens nonetheless. So, in a game of mafia, this really hurts me when I interact with players who have reputations. It's impossible for me to trust them, simply because I've bought into the hype and am always expecting them to pull a fast one on me. But, on the other hand, I feel guilty every time I even consider voting them, because it means I'm voting one of the "best" players out of the game, and for no reason other than I suspect they're scum. It's a real double-edged sword, and it makes me second-guess my reads on good players at least twice as much as on other players.

This unfortunately is applying to the MoI case right now. I respect him as a really good player, so I'm instantly more suspicious of him than I am of others. To complicate the situation, players like Oj, VP Baltar, and sotty have all said that he's scummy. But, I still feel guilty when I think about voting him because I don't want him to die if I'm wrong. I do see his scumminess, but I'm just less comfortable voting him than I am other players.

So, , because he needs more votes. Go competing bandwagons!

Thank you VV I do pride myself in being a better than average scumhunter.

Pride cometh before a FAIL.

The brave man inattentive to his duty, is worth little more to his country than the coward who deserts in the hour of danger.

True valor lies between cowardice and rashness.

Wicked wrote:1. When did you finally decide that Furcolow was town?
2. So, at the time you were voting him, you thought he was going murderer?

1) It wasn't till Hito finally explained how the mod response was formulated to handle the exception that it made sense why Furcolow was confirmed.
2) His botch of a claim made it so it looked like he was lying, so either Cult or Murderer-in-training. The second was more likely because with daytalk it would be less likely for them to botch that claim.

Baby Spice wrote:

MoI

If you don't think Furc is of any use to the town, why didn't you just stalk him and vig him out? Confirming your status as an investigator in the process.
If you don't scum hunt well before flips are revealed, why not keep a bit quieter and wait for them?
If you wanted to dribble scum to avoid being a NK, why do so in such an abrasive fashion? Especially in a game with so much potential for "doctor" saves for those who manage to get obv/confirmed town status.

This is a horrible post from Baby Spice, kind of suprised now that he isn't getting the same attention as yesterday. It reeks of scum trying to look like they are pushing on one of the main suspects without really doing so.

I also don't see a vote out from you either, whos scum and why?

Kunkstar wrote:I also don't see a vote out from you either, whos scum and why?

At the moment I think MoI might be, which is why I asked him those questions.


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No man is more than another unless he does more than another.

People who quote instead of scum hunt piss me me off -

- Seacore, 2010

Benmage in particular, I'd like to see some scum reads please.

The coward calls the brave man rash, the rash man calls him a coward.

Seacore wrote:People who quote instead of scum hunt piss me me off -

- Seacore, 2010

Benmage in particular, I'd like to see some scum reads please.

Yawn.....just pretend I paraphrased someone else's ideas...but be sure to note some added spiffy-ness.

Hell, who are your scum reads?

Benmage a week ago wrote:That catchup thing might have to wait till tomorrow.

Lets move past this list discussion. Let me first be able to formulate a proper scum list via some more indepth proper scum hunting and then we can talk about a list...any list at the moment would be largely superficial mixed in with gut reads.

I didn't promise scum reads. You did.

However, since you've asked.

El Goosuki
MagnaofIllusion
manho
nopointinactingup
totallynotmafia
AurorusVox
Andrius

In roughly that order.

I am so close to replacing out of this game, the amount of people that pride themselves on being good players and are flaking like crazy are pissing me off.

El G and Benmage, I'm looking specifically in your direction.

VasudeVa wrote:

@Mod: Andy needs a prod.

Bro-drius

, I know you're busy and all but can you please grace us with your presence? Your last post was on Nov 4. I'll ask you these questions to help you ease back into the game:

1. What do you think of the MoI wagon and it's constituents? Do you agree with my case?
2. What do you think of the El Goo wagon and it's constituents? Do you agree with their case?
3. Why did you vote me D1?
4. What is your opinion on the dispatches?
5. Do you have any opinions as to the claims from N1? What about LB's insanity on their flip?
6. Care to share a quick town/scum list?

Of course I can grace LegoVas with my presence. I'm catching up; I'm in the eighties, so.

I'm not going to fully answer 1 and 2 until I finish the catch-up, but:

3. Because you were avoiding me, and you were not playing like your town self. It looked like Popularity Mafia over any other game I've seen you as town, so I was suspicious of you. But you did what you do best as town and- unless I'm horribly mistake, you're Investigator. (Unless you're going Murderer. *shudders*)
4. RC needs to go. Fate needs to go too; if we have a COA to make sure all the graves are robbed then I have no problems Dispatching Fate. But if we can't handle 4 grave robbers and/or no one is willing then we'll have to delay Dispatching Fate until tomorrow.
5. I'd have to review the list of claims again. I'll get back to you.
6. I'll post a list like that when I finish the reread; some reads are changing a bit, and some are solidifying.

Sorry for being away; I'm sorta' flaking away from activity here. :/