Bujaber can still be the endgame scum, so watch out for that (although it'd be hilariously imbalanced if he was the 3rd scum, I'm talkin 4th).
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:12 am
by Gamma Emerald
Almost50,
Mani Mani, Mafia Investigation-Immune Goon
, was discovered and imprisoned Day 2.
Night 2 has started and will end (expired on 2018-03-12 13:15:00)
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:01 am
by Gamma Emerald
Flavor later but I should post this now rather than later
Carrot and Stick,
Apple Kid, Town JOAT
, was driven mad Night 2.
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:03 am
by Gamma Emerald
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:08 am
by Mathdino
@the worst:
Confirm InfernoBrafin is town?
@Kthxbye:
Confirm Not_Mafia's night action?
@Not_Mafia:
Confirm no movement from Marangal?
Scum have a strongman no matter what, assuming mastina's night action went through. Either Beefster performed the strongman kill and is also a mafia jailkeeper who jailed Marangal, or someone shot straight through Beefster's protection.
Assuming innocents from everyone, that means we have:
Confirmed didn't do the nightkill: InfernoBrafin, Not_Mafia, Ms Marangal
Remaining:
Beefster: Confirmed jailkeeper
the worst: Unconfirmed, needs to claim
Bujaber: Unconfirmed compulsive visitor
Kthx: Semi-confirmed follower
Mathdino: Unconfirmed Bodyguard
VOTE: Bujaber
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:11 am
by the worst
InfBra is clear.
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:49 am
by Kthxbye
NM used an investigative ability last night
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:55 am
by Mathdino
I think on Bujaber lynch we can do the following to clear the rest:
Beefster holsters (jailkeeper is fucking useless now)
Mathdino holsters (bodyguard is also useless)
the worst checks Beefster
Kthxbye checks Beefster
Not_Mafia checks Mathdino
Marangal and IB roles are now useless and are our LyLo with Not_Mafia if there's 4 scum.
At this point it's just lynching the people late to the parties.
Kthx called the guilty on A50 and was one of the first on acryon. I could definitely see Kthx "confirming" himself as a softbus plan with A50, but the force with which he went in on that makes that a bit unlikely.
Beefster was late on acryon. Viable partner.
Bujaber was late on both. Probably the correct lynch today.
the worst I'd have to take a closer look at. Was late on acryon but gung ho on A50.
Also, call me setup spec scared, but I'm not sure town gets 3 investigates even WITH investigation immune goon. Maybe I'm just paranoid...
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:44 pm
by Mathdino
On reconsideration, I'd also be somewhat open to lynching Beefster (since jailkeeper does nothing).
This creates a nightplan of:
Mathdino holsters
Kthxbye follows Bujaber
the worst checks Mathdino
Not_Mafia checks InfernoBrafin
Lynching Bujaber is mechanically superior because "compulsive visitor" is a weird role that doesn't seem like it would have a result for the Follower, and Not_Mafia doesn't really have anything useful to do in this instance. Unless we want to do an alternate plan of the worst checking Marangal and Not_Mafia motion detecting me, which also works.
But Beefster is probably scummier by play, so w/e.
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:45 pm
by Mathdino
In post 2241, Kthxbye wrote:Also, call me setup spec scared, but I'm not sure town gets 3 investigates even WITH investigation immune goon. Maybe I'm just paranoid...
It's not at all unlikely that there's 4 mafia.
That just requires a double bus.
Either way that group of 5 I posted MUST contain a strongman. Once we get our strongman flip, we reevaluate.
Pedit: I don't agree with you holstering. TBH, I want to investigate you while you BG me tonight. I know it's highly unlikely for you to be scum here, but damn, if you were scum, you win this game by simply bussing and leading.
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:53 pm
by Kthxbye
Is there a world in which NM is a scum investigative role?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:54 pm
by Kthxbye
I mean, game balance doesn't take into account everyone and their mother claiming by early D2
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:56 pm
by Mathdino
My power means nothing. Scum used their strongman on N1 and N2. I'm much better off holstering and allowing myself to be cleared by Not_Mafia.
If we double up you and the worst on Beefster (or whoever else), we can ensure a result even if scum kills one of you.
Game balance is either 4 mafia (in which case Not_Mafia is fucking clearly the 4th scum) or just thinks that a mafia strongman will neuter all the protectives and roleblockers.
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:57 pm
by Kthxbye
I'd be up for a Beefster lynch at this point from a pure setup spec standpoint. If a JK can't keep a strongman from killing and scum have a strongman AND a JK can't stop non killing actions from targeting them or their targets, it just doesn't make sense in this game.
If Beefster was scum, does that take away the idea of a strongman with what claims have come out?
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:00 pm
by Kthxbye
In post 2247, Mathdino wrote:My power means nothing. Scum used their strongman on N1 and N2. I'm much better off holstering and allowing myself to be cleared by Not_Mafia.
If we double up you and the worst on Beefster (or whoever else), we can ensure a result even if scum kills one of you.
Game balance is either 4 mafia (in which case Not_Mafia is fucking clearly the 4th scum) or just thinks that a mafia strongman will neuter all the protectives and roleblockers.
If you are BG and you BG me, I can clear you of all doubt. That is a bonus going forward for sure. I'm more than a little worried about scum killing CS and not you considering...