Mafiascum.net

In post 2225, Panopticon wrote:

In post 2073, Gorkington wrote:

In post 1823, Gorkington wrote:actually i might be dumb, he might just be saying both are scum for different reasons.
context of previous post kind of makes that more likely.

his confidence level does not match his reasoning though.
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Panopticon wrote:Because it's a blatant misrep

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i also think its pretty fucking hot garbage that youre now coming back to respond to the case -
without actually responding to it at all, by just trying to discredit it with a weird roundabout "oh well his one reason is shit and wrong and i never engaged him on it to explain why its wrong so hes null i guess".
literally the worst way you could have responded to me scumreading you.

Panopticon wrote:The reasons for most of my reads are weak because most of my reads are weak.



Petit obviously that was sarcasm as I'm now voting someone else

In post 1489, Panopticon wrote:No. tchill is today's wagon, no deviation allowed, absent a literal scum claim.

youre really walking this back as sarcasm? because it really does not read that way at all.

vote: panopticon

i want this.
i want this in my fucking bones.
theres literally nothing tn is doing thats town.

and i have to be honest, like, i wouldnt be doing my due diligence here if i just flat out trusted elli [and i kind of feel like he should also be seeing panopticon as an obvious buddy option here/it makes me nervous that he doesnt] and if im being even more honest, i was kind of putting a voice in a corner at the back of my mind that was saying that i cant really confidently read her in general.

most of tn's meta sprawls back a few years so theres some level of doubt to be had, but man it just looks so much like this is his scumgame rather than his towngame:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65370 [unsigned posts are him]
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66095

and i think the best reason i can give is that scumtn talks at people when hes scumreading them.
and towntn just tries to get them lynched.

tn is just talking at people in this game.
hes not trying to sort people.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes doing.

theres nothing genuine about doubtcasting someone because theyre scumreading something your hydra partner did because you didnt post it.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes pushed on tchill.
and theres especially nothing genuine about him trying to walk back his read there as not being strong when hes indicated anything but the contrary.

the bonus here is that elli can still be right and pan can still be scum because pan's reaction to elli's program is really really fucking scummy if maria is scum.

theres also some part of me that doesnt like that a maria wagon based entirely on elli's rep and cheeky saying "UR SCUM IF U DONT" basically gives all of these players an excuse to jump on the wagon without actually putting anything behind their vote, which makes the wagon especially hard to hold anyone accountable to that isnt elli on d2 if it flips town.

"i also think its pretty fucking hot garbage that youre now coming back to respond to the case -"

I'm gonna be honest, I lost it in the sea of bullshit spam. Sorry.

"without actually responding to it at all, by just trying to discredit it with a weird roundabout "oh well his one reason is shit and wrong and i never engaged him on it to explain why its wrong so hes null i guess"."
It would be more accurate to say that only one of your points towards my head specifically had any relevance; the rest were aimed at my other head.

"literally the worst way you could have responded to me scumreading you."
And if I were scum, I might give a shit.

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Same.

"youre really walking this back as sarcasm? because it really does not read that way at all."

Sure, I say things I don't mean at all, like literally any words out of my mouth directed to a customer at work.

"theres literally nothing tn is doing thats town."

Ok.

"and i have to be honest, like, i wouldnt be doing my due diligence here if i just flat out trusted elli [and i kind of feel like he should also be seeing panopticon as an obvious buddy option here/it makes me nervous that he doesnt] and if im being even more honest, i was kind of putting a voice in a corner at the back of my mind that was saying that i cant really confidently read her in general.

most of tn's meta sprawls back a few years so theres some level of doubt to be had, but man it just looks so much like this is his scumgame rather than his towngame:
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65370 [unsigned posts are him]
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66095

and i think the best reason i can give is that scumtn talks at people when hes scumreading them.
and towntn just tries to get them lynched.

tn is just talking at people in this game.
hes not trying to sort people.
theres nothing genuine about anything hes doing."

This is a fair point and all, but I'm done giving a shit on day fucking one of a huge game. There will be plenty of time later. Like I said earlier, it's what burnt me out of playing mafia for a while. So I'm trying something new.
Also, something you didn't touch on, I rolled scum a very disproportionate amount of times so my town game is actually really weak. I can only think of a handful of times I've actually caught scum without the assistance of power roles.
(further, my wiki has some offsite games linked too, but i haven't updated it in a while)

"theres nothing genuine about doubtcasting someone because theyre scumreading something your hydra partner did because you didnt post it."
There's also nothing genuine about attributing one player's play to another, hydra or not.

"theres nothing genuine about anything hes pushed on tchill."
Really? So I don't push policy lynches day one? And you claim to have ISO'd me?

REALLY?

(policy: lurk; policy: spam; policy: blatant antitown; policy: dumbtelling)

"and theres especially nothing genuine about him trying to walk back his read there as not being strong when hes indicated anything but the contrary."
My gut reads aren't good.

"the bonus here is that elli can still be right and pan can still be scum because pan's reaction to elli's program is really really fucking scummy if maria is scum."
My reaction to that has nothing to do with the game, I'd have attacked it as I had if it were posted in MD.

"theres also some part of me that doesnt like that a maria wagon based entirely on elli's rep and cheeky saying "UR SCUM IF U DONT" basically gives all of these players an excuse to jump on the wagon without actually putting anything behind their vote, which makes the wagon especially hard to hold anyone accountable to that isnt elli on d2 if it flips town."

"That said, with my hands off the game meta wheel, the meta-less stuff you see (and you expect me) to see as scummy, I quite frankly don't because of some perspective on how tn thinks/acts OUTSIDE of games. That's all I really want to say on the matter here but I know there are people in this game who can corrobate with regards to that."

Read: bullheadedly charging into every obstacle available, regardless of placement.

In post 2077, Gorkington wrote:it was admittedly a pretty lazy meta job.
i just really really dont feel like hes town
q.q

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vote: maria

I would complain, but I put the same effort into my reads.

In post 2114, Bins wrote:im actually starting to feel slightly better about pano? i think

idk

i dont have a good enough reason to fight that, but if it's been tn i actually get decent vibes rereading their ISO

wait wut

BINS WUT R U DOIN
BINS STAHHHP

You can't just......

ownread

me like this

In post 2187, Hopkirk wrote:Why aren't you voting Panoptican? He needs more votes.

Because I'm not scum? Believe it or not.

In post 2199, Panopticon wrote:The current case on me is a scum case, as I am town.
It's that easy.

-ObserVed

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~tn5421