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In post 8, vonflare wrote:I'm a miller donut invest ty

In post 10, vonflare wrote:^death miller btw. I flip scum too

TIL people mistake vonflare for varsoon

like i told you the ic is bullshit
hes done the exact same thing before, right down to claiming it can be roleblocked
could be a scum fakeclaim or a town fakeclaim
either way he'll need to be lynched

not today

yeah, there really is no point today

I'm waiting for mastina, I think I'll be able to get a good read on them with her post where she analyzes everyone.

btw since we're on the topic

dont block me either

In post 2230, Wisdom wrote:btw since we're on the topic

dont block me either

In post 2170, sheepsaysmeep wrote:those two and i have literal opposite reads and fucking lol this game if it's v/v/v

what's v/v/v

I'd guess village/village/village but I don't know your abbreviations man

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@Nancy - if you don't think you can deal with the game go ahead and PM xyzzy and make the replace out official, it'd be better to get it out of the way now than have you replace out in a week and stretch out the amount of gametime with missing players in it even further

Like I'd personally rather you stay in and post general reads/thoughts on the game less frequently instead of keeping with the amount of posting you're doing and responding to everyone and everything, but if you can't deal with Flavor and/or other people scumreading you replacing out now is going to be a lot better for the game than publicly considering replacing out every time the game doesn't go the way you want it to.

In post 2226, Xtoxm wrote:like i told you the ic is bullshit
hes done the exact same thing before, right down to claiming it can be roleblocked
could be a scum fakeclaim or a town fakeclaim
either way he'll need to be lynched

Ok link me where I've fake claimed it

In post 2222, Vaxkiller wrote:

In post 2044, Kokichi Oma wrote:My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case

I don't like this at all. Why would scum (or anyone for that matter) block a claimed IC? You SAYING this, ESPECIALLY after gamma just claiming roleblocker is friggin HIGHLY suspect. Why would town you do this? The answer: they wouldn't.

Yeah you're right. Tell your buddies not to block me plz

I mean... Kokichi's request to not be blocked is NAI. If town, he either does or does not have an active night role. If he does, he wants to stop town from antisynergy. If he doesn't he wants to goad a scum rb into wasting a shot on him. If he's scum, he wants to have an out when he doesn't show as conftown tomorrow.

Discussing that atm is a waste of time.

Also, feel free to roleblock me, I don't have any super secret additional powers that activate at night.

Also, I'm gonna hammer the first person I'm scumreading who gets into range. Back to lurkeryness.

I'm on Page 21 - sheep and nancy look like town

Party boat and varsoon also look good

In post 605, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 600, Leodanny wrote:Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

ew.

So my plan is to keep reading stuff after my replacement but to reread it with context as I go through my readthrough, so if you feel like I'm skipping something important, it's probably because I lack the context to properly evaluate it but I promise that I'll come back to it my second time through said content.

In post 2153, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ll be scrutinizing your read on me because you like to allege that you can read me.

And then I got that really really wrong and proved I could not.

In post 2184, TheBrie wrote:Yay, Mastina. (Do I know how to read Mastina from experience? Nope. Do I feel confident that Mastina couldn't trick me? Nope) But I like Mastina, liked the entrance, and I already had Theta as a town read.

(Do I feel confindent that no one could trick me? No, that would be stupid.)

What'd you like about the fluffiest of fluffy entrances? My entrance was so full of fluff that it'd trigger animal allergies from all the excess mixing with air particles.

In post 2226, Xtoxm wrote:like i told you the ic is bullshit
hes done the exact same thing before, right down to claiming it can be roleblocked
could be a scum fakeclaim or a town fakeclaim
either way he'll need to be lynched

Which worked out so well the last time he was lynched.
My stance is actually the opposite--it is indeed most likely a fakeclaim, regardless of town or scum. But either way, he be lynched.

Still doesn't really do me much good at this point, though. Garbage-tier VCA is garbage-tier. I don't have a frame of reference to significantly narrow down the pool of suspects from the VCA alone. The closest I have to an idea is basically an idea of where not to push, in the form of Wisdom being probtown.

In post 2241, mastina wrote:

Spoiler: Junk-tier VCA

I'll be doing real VCA after a real readthrough but doesn't hurt to do this before then.

In post 450, xyzzy wrote:7 players voting for

Leodanny

(Purrcocet,

profii

, hebichan, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, Kokichi Oma)
2 players voting for Varsoon (sheepsaysmeep, Jaylow7)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (Party Boat, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (TheBrie, Ausuka)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (

Leodanny

)
7 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking,

Theta Alpine

, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare)

If we're going by my old-school rule, that'd be a 14-player wagon and a 8-player counterwagon, with a much smaller 2-player other wagon.

In a 24-player game, with what I assume is a PR-heavy game, we can safely assume six scum.

I'd wager that the division would probably be about 4 split between the two 7s, and 2 split between the 2s. 'Course, that doesn't do me much good without a better ability to narrow it down.

In post 683, xyzzy wrote:7 players voting for

Leodanny

(

profii

, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, Kokichi Oma, Party Boat, TheBrie, sheepsaysmeep)
3 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon, Purrcocet)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (hebichan, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Ausuka,

Leodanny

)
1 player voting for Varsoon (Jaylow7)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
8 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking,

Theta Alpine

, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare, Gamma Emerald)

Since scum knew Leo was a mislynch, they could take whatever stance they wanted and were in no hurry to lynch him. I'd say the consistent pusher of him still alive--similarly to both the dead consistent pushers--would be more likely to be town. The people hopping off aren't necessarily scum, and neither are the people who hopped on, but I wouldn't call any of them town, either.

In post 868, xyzzy wrote:13 players voting for

Leodanny

(Wisdom, Kokichi Oma, TheBrie,

Theta Alpine

, sheepsaysmeep, Party Boat, Gamma Emerald,

CheekyTeeky

, Wagonomics, singletonking, hebichan, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Ausuka,

Leodanny

)
2 players voting for Varsoon (Jaylow7, Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for sheepsaysmeep (Purrcocet)
6 players not voting (0verki11, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare,

profii

)

I'd be flabbergasted if Not Voting had no scum; there's definitely at least one. I'd be a little surprised if it were three, though; my bet is on two.

Which would leave four scum elsewhere. In the 2/2/1 voters, I'd expect another scum, but probably not two.

On-wagon, then, you could have as many as 4 but more likely have 3.

Still doesn't really do me much good at this point, though. Garbage-tier VCA is garbage-tier. I don't have a frame of reference to significantly narrow down the pool of suspects from the VCA alone. The closest I have to an idea is basically an idea of where not to push, in the form of Wisdom being probtown.

To give a frame of reference:
Two scum in sheep, Jay/Saudade, Party Boat, Nancy, TheBrie, Ausuka, Vaxkiller, Varsoon/Flavor Leaf
Four scum in {Purrcocet, hebichan/Enter, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom, Kokichi Oma}, {0verki11/Trekkie, singletonking, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist/Jingle, vonflare}

Two scum in 0verki11/Trekkie, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist/Jingle, vonflare
One scum in Ausuka, Jay/Saudade, Vaxkiller, Purrcocet
Three scum in TheBrie, sheepsaysmeep, Party Boat, Gamma Emerald, Wagonomics, singletonking, hebichan/Enter, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon/Flavor Leaf

Not much to go off of.
I'd probably sheep people on the Saudade suspicion right now, could maybe lynch Xtoxm, have some for TheBrie, and then would have three more in the pool of Trekkie, Light (not sure I want to sheep there unlike Saudade), Jingle, vonflare, sheep, Gamma, Wagonomics, singletonking, and Enter.

Which isn't much. A lynchpool of 3 + 9 players in a game with 21 players alive?
It needs to be, quite literally, half that size; the largest acceptable pool would be 9 but there's nobody on that list I've reason to eliminate right now (if I did I'd have done so already).

Also a lot of this already relies on assumption piled on assumption so any assumption wrong collapses the whole thing.

So like I said, trash-tier analysis, but it's what I'm going off of right now.

I don’t wanna do math rn, actual reads please instead of a calculus exam?

In post 2242, mastina wrote:

In post 2241, mastina wrote:

Spoiler: Junk-tier VCA

I'll be doing real VCA after a real readthrough but doesn't hurt to do this before then.

In post 450, xyzzy wrote:7 players voting for

Leodanny

(Purrcocet,

profii

, hebichan, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, Kokichi Oma)
2 players voting for Varsoon (sheepsaysmeep, Jaylow7)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (Party Boat, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (TheBrie, Ausuka)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (

Leodanny

)
7 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking,

Theta Alpine

, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare)

If we're going by my old-school rule, that'd be a 14-player wagon and a 8-player counterwagon, with a much smaller 2-player other wagon.

In a 24-player game, with what I assume is a PR-heavy game, we can safely assume six scum.

I'd wager that the division would probably be about 4 split between the two 7s, and 2 split between the 2s. 'Course, that doesn't do me much good without a better ability to narrow it down.

In post 683, xyzzy wrote:7 players voting for

Leodanny

(

profii

, Wisdom,

CheekyTeeky

, Kokichi Oma, Party Boat, TheBrie, sheepsaysmeep)
3 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Vaxkiller, Varsoon, Purrcocet)
2 players voting for Jaylow7 (hebichan, Nancy Drew 39)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Ausuka,

Leodanny

)
1 player voting for Varsoon (Jaylow7)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Wagonomics)
8 players not voting (0verki11, singletonking,

Theta Alpine

, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare, Gamma Emerald)

Since scum knew Leo was a mislynch, they could take whatever stance they wanted and were in no hurry to lynch him. I'd say the consistent pusher of him still alive--similarly to both the dead consistent pushers--would be more likely to be town. The people hopping off aren't necessarily scum, and neither are the people who hopped on, but I wouldn't call any of them town, either.

In post 868, xyzzy wrote:13 players voting for

Leodanny

(Wisdom, Kokichi Oma, TheBrie,

Theta Alpine

, sheepsaysmeep, Party Boat, Gamma Emerald,

CheekyTeeky

, Wagonomics, singletonking, hebichan, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Ausuka,

Leodanny

)
2 players voting for Varsoon (Jaylow7, Vaxkiller)
1 player voting for sheepsaysmeep (Purrcocet)
6 players not voting (0verki11, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist, vonflare,

profii

)

I'd be flabbergasted if Not Voting had no scum; there's definitely at least one. I'd be a little surprised if it were three, though; my bet is on two.

Which would leave four scum elsewhere. In the 2/2/1 voters, I'd expect another scum, but probably not two.

On-wagon, then, you could have as many as 4 but more likely have 3.

Still doesn't really do me much good at this point, though. Garbage-tier VCA is garbage-tier. I don't have a frame of reference to significantly narrow down the pool of suspects from the VCA alone. The closest I have to an idea is basically an idea of where not to push, in the form of Wisdom being probtown.

To give a frame of reference:
Two scum in sheep, Jay/Saudade, Party Boat, Nancy, TheBrie, Ausuka, Vaxkiller, Varsoon/Flavor Leaf
Four scum in {Purrcocet, hebichan/Enter, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom, Kokichi Oma}, {0verki11/Trekkie, singletonking, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist/Jingle, vonflare}

Two scum in 0verki11/Trekkie, light_ganski, Xtoxm, Edosurist/Jingle, vonflare
One scum in Ausuka, Jay/Saudade, Vaxkiller, Purrcocet
Three scum in TheBrie, sheepsaysmeep, Party Boat, Gamma Emerald, Wagonomics, singletonking, hebichan/Enter, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon/Flavor Leaf

Not much to go off of.
I'd probably sheep people on the Saudade suspicion right now, could maybe lynch Xtoxm, have some for TheBrie, and then would have three more in the pool of Trekkie, Light (not sure I want to sheep there unlike Saudade), Jingle, vonflare, sheep, Gamma, Wagonomics, singletonking, and Enter.

Which isn't much. A lynchpool of 3 + 9 players in a game with 21 players alive?
It needs to be, quite literally, half that size; the largest acceptable pool would be 9 but there's nobody on that list I've reason to eliminate right now (if I did I'd have done so already).

Also a lot of this already relies on assumption piled on assumption so any assumption wrong collapses the whole thing.

So like I said, trash-tier analysis, but it's what I'm going off of right now.

Wow, that was really helpful.

In post 2243, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t wanna do math rn, actual reads please instead of a calculus exam?

I question if it’s even real, like she has similar players in all of these nonsensical groupings.

In post 2239, Enter wrote:

In post 605, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 600, Leodanny wrote:Should I claim now, or at L-1?

If you have a claim, better do it ASAP. Why would you want to give scum a chance to hammer?

ew.

Why? What’s wrong with this?

In post 2232, Party Boat wrote:

In post 2170, sheepsaysmeep wrote:those two and i have literal opposite reads and fucking lol this game if it's v/v/v

what's v/v/v

I'd guess village/village/village but I don't know your abbreviations man

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@Nancy - if you don't think you can deal with the game go ahead and PM xyzzy and make the replace out official, it'd be better to get it out of the way now than have you replace out in a week and stretch out the amount of gametime with missing players in it even further

Like I'd personally rather you stay in and post general reads/thoughts on the game less frequently instead of keeping with the amount of posting you're doing and responding to everyone and everything, but if you can't deal with Flavor and/or other people scumreading you replacing out now is going to be a lot better for the game than publicly considering replacing out every time the game doesn't go the way you want it to.

Okay, I’ll seriously consider doing that. It was a helluva lot easier before Varsoon replaced out. :/

In post 1400, xyzzy wrote:Varsoon (light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep, vonflare, TheBrie, Party Boat, Purrcocet, singletonking, Trekkie99)
3 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Wisdom, Ausuka, Varsoon)
3 players voting for Jaylow7 (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, Vaxkiller)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Xtoxm, Gamma Emerald)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Kokichi Oma)
4 players not voting (hebichan, Theta Alpine, Edosurist, Jaylow7)

I will say though that here, we're looking at what's most likely half-on, half-off in terms of scum. Wouldn't be able to name exact distribution on the half-off, nor name the scum on Varsoon, but that is not a towndriven wagon whatsoever, not even remotely. There's three scum there guaranteed. Could even be four, but I somewhat doubt they put all their eggs into that single basket.

In post 1763, xyzzy wrote:8 players voting for Flavor Leaf (light_ganski, sheepsaysmeep, vonflare, Party Boat, Nancy Drew 39, Wisdom, Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller)
2 players voting for sheepsaysmeep (Xtoxm, Purrcocet)
1 player voting for Jaylow7 (Wagonomics)
1 player voting for Vaxkiller (Kokichi Oma)
1 player voting for Xtoxm (Ausuka)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald (Flavor Leaf)
7 players not voting (hebichan, Theta Alpine, Jingle, Jaylow7, Trekkie99, singletonking, TheBrie)

Similarly to yesterday, I wouldn't call the people who left or joined later town or scum, but the people who kept pushing I'd be more inclined to call town: light, sheep, vonflare, Party Boat.

Which would narrow down the original wagon's scum to being within {TheBrie, Purrcocet, singletonking, Trekkie}.

I can see that. If my "one scum in Ausuka, Saudade, Vaxkiller, Purrcocet" is correct, and if it's Saudade, then that'd actually fit with other assumptions; Trekkie as the second scum Not Voting at end of d1, singletonking as scum moving around a bit.

For the record, the second wagon looks more town-driven than the first, to the point where I'd wager at most two scum on it.

So let's make my first scumteam guess off of literal hot steaming garbage tier analysis.

TheBrie, Xtoxm, Saudade, singletonking, Trekkie, Gamma Emerald.

If you wanna rip this to shreds, go ahead, it's not that hard to do.

In post 2246, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why? What’s wrong with this?

Prolly should have waited til reads were dropped to see if people still wanted to L-1 him prior to claiming, just for preservation purposes.