Bob and vizzy are probably scum together, their questions aren’t meant to sort anyone, it’s more like...they’re making people accuse other people, if that makes sense. They don’t have an actual stance on anything.
Bob’s questions are typical scum that wants to contribute without actually taking a stance on anything. I didn’t like how he tried to save Sala out of the dirt he placed himself. Mafia is a game of what people do, as much as what people don’t do. He didn’t hop on sala and even tried to help him by expounding on his read even though he made a terrible vote on Wimpy at some point.
I can probably make a case at some time where I pick each post apart, but I don’t think it’s necessary. Try and skim through Bob’s questions and vizzy’s and you’ll probably come to the same conclusion. Their questions aren’t really meant to sort anyone, they both have “leading questions” meaning, they are guiding someone to an answer, which scum use a lot more than town.
Bob has asked 10000 questions but didn’t manage to form any reads based off them. He keeps asking questions that he doesn’t follow up on, because he knows everyone’s alignment and doesn’t care to truly sort them. There’s no real, organic progression to anything in bob’s reads. Granted I stopped at like page 20 but still.
And ank, I can’t believe you actually scum read gtj there lol. If he comes back, is 5-5 leading wagons with his scum buddy, why does he unvote and rethink it all instead of aiming for an anti-spew here?
In post 1976, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:UNVOTE: Ank
I need to think about this...cause right now Ank is pinging town a little bit .
In post 796, Nicholai wrote:alright i'm done here, that's more than enough effort for one day.
omnom rex gjt invis are potential scum for me right now
let me know who you're townreading omnom, and please elaborate your scumread on me if it still there outside of the salsa vote
@gjt: what's your opinion of rex so far this game?
I think what you posted reads more town. Wimpy's slot is town imo so Ank must be town. I read FL as town. I don't recognize Bob's posts as belonging to his scumgame, he's much more assertive here, so slight town lean.
I'm not sold on your Gjt scumlean.
I think joges or invis is where it's at, despite invis being lolrandom because if there's any day to deal with this, it's day 1 imo.
Looking back, I don’t think Nomnom bussed indirectly here. It’s unnecessary. I reread her conversation with Nicholai, and they were trying to work Nicholai. Invisibility mixed in with genuineness and being at the wrong place at the wrong time looks like they were setup to look scummy. I think Invis is town.
Joges was also town read by Nich in a good way, so I think I’m good with it. Nomnom wants to get sold on Gjt, so it happens then a wagon forms.
Bob/Wimpy slot look like where Nomnom would mention scum partners, tbh.
So Ank must be town and insistence that Wimpy looks townie looks really bad in hindsight too.
i know it's slightly contradictory to read this post as town and then question it, but i'm TRing it's tone(?) rather than the read itself. why did you call omnom town after her interaction with gjt? can her frustration not come from scum?
Nom tends to struggle keeping her tone and thought processes consistent with each other as scum
In post 932, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why no answer rather than the question of you being asked?
Bear in mind, I thought your predecessor was scum.
In post 933, Ankamius wrote:because that came out of left field and the way I answer it changes based on context???
that can be interpreted as you pushing me saying you sheeped someone, but I never did
that can be interpreted as you asking me who you should sheep, but I never indicated being that into the game yet
that can be interpreted as you asking me to go into my townreads... I guess? but that's still a weird interpretation when it comes out of nowhere
all three of those give very different answers and depending on my mood I can interpret it in any of those three ways
In post 934, Flavor Leaf wrote:Why is it out of left field?
Maybe that’s just where I’ve been lurking around while you all play baseball, a dying sport.
In post 935, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think it’s a fair question to ask of the player who replaced the slot I was pushing
In post 939, Ankamius wrote:and yes the fact that you're scumreading my slot makes it even more ??? to me
In post 940, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh, I don’t plan on explaining to you the context prior to your answer. That’s essentially the entire point of asking you.
Not much time and there's a chance this push on me is scummy with the really bad reasoning so it's worth pursuing. Invis is never going to pick off so yeah.
In post 204, Gjt wrote:I will purely be judging everyone on their actions on this game because I'm too lazy nor have the time to go check up on the history of everyone. Maybe its something I can pick up after a few more games here.
I will probably be playing in a way which you won't like and will observe a lot more before posting as a lot of what I see is basing current posts from previous games.
From what I've seen if Nicolai is Town probably won't last long because from experience Scum tend to hate active Townies. Chances are we will mislynch D1 unless someone seriously slips which is why scum often stay quiet D1 (not helping myself there) they'll spread their votes across Town. Not sure how many you usually get on a team here, but one I expect to vote/push one of their team mates. A lot of this phase is keeping track of the votes and who people chop and change too.
I don't have any strong leads yet, maybe a couple now leaning a little towards Town, but as said previously in my mind you are all Scum until you have convinced me otherwise
this is one of the most political things I've ever seen in a mafia game
this is always the funniest answer to any situation
What another incredibly rough trajectory from Ankamius. Played the me vote as a joke, but it came right after I voted for Nomnom, and I’m nulled on the list.
Also the Gjt political post in hindsight’s rough.
If Nomnom didn’t get flipped this wouldn’t have looked bad yet either, but even the Salamence was town is poor.
In post 996, Flavor Leaf wrote:Scum doesn’t gain anything from bussing a partner here, and by no means should that ever go through if he is actually scum in that case.
People are voting him because they don’t know who to vote. We don’t have a lot of info in the game yet, so it shows that the Gjt lynch is something that scum are 100% okay with happening.
He’s not scum.
I can’t recall a single on of their posts. This is entirely based on the sociological gamestate
In post 1028, Flavor Leaf wrote:Now, my friends, my enemies, my yet to be acquainted, my comrades of the town of Mini Normal 2114, I ask of you, nay, I beg of you, to bring this amalgamation onto the head of which is to be eating like an Attack on some large, behemoth of a creature, or a Titan if you will, and band together with me as we execute the scummy Nomnomnom. I know I have yet to gain your complete trust, but allow me to lead this town into the dragon’s pit. I will slice the head off myself, I will die for you, and if luck y’all may have it, I would even
live
for you.
Put aside these petty differences, and let’s make today, January 18th of the year two thousand and twenty, a day you shan’t forget!
This is an obvious all town wagon...sure, you can take me out of the equation here in that sense, but if I were scum here, I’d have scum partners to join this wagon. And also, Gjt sifted PR. Unless GJT and I are scum together, it makes zero sense for me to not let him get lynched.
Lynch.
Nomnomnom.
In post 1042, nomnomnom wrote:How to avoid a lynch: just say you're a PR and town will inevitably change their perspective lol
In post 1081, nomnomnom wrote:You want scum games of mine to read? To see if it looks like anything here? There's a reason why Ank townreads me here. Just saying.
What leaves you certain enough that gjt is scum that you are happy to risk lynching a potential town pr. Do you beleive his pr claim or think that its fiction?
Or is it more of case you rather have lynch on another player. As you were voting kanna before you vote. A player on the same wagon as you now that you highlighted in red along side gjt and Nicholai.
1. general scumread
2. a lot of the game is a townread
3. the way he softed looks like scum trying to save themselves rather than a town pr trying to save themselves
Oozing scum.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:22 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1971, bob3141 wrote:just comes across to me as ank trying to shade flav.
It was. It was indeed. Idk how anyone sees Bob’s post as scum tbh. He’s so townie.
In post 1800, Flavor Leaf wrote:Plus the Ank/FL reads are just super awkward to be coming from scum, I feel he genuinely feels that way, and in fact, Ank flips scum, he’s right.
this is like
aggressively bad FL
AGGRESSIVELY bad
That little side push. If she was town i would of thought she woudl said somethign around teh lines of bad town push. Maybe somethign got lost in translation of the net
I was suprised to see ank make such a sujestion even if it was just passing remark
Ftr this post is really town
Then they go ahead and vote Bob.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:23 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1976, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:UNVOTE: Ank
I need to think about this...cause right now Ank is pinging town a little bit .
I mean, I actually feel like there’s some Ank/Fuzzy scum team merit
yeah you don't have to, my point is that you never have an organic progression on anything, you just ask questions for the gist of it. The only stances that you take are on specific posts, like FL's, but your questions aren't leading you to make a read.
aight be back later peeps
FL vote bob stop tunneling Ank let's go
Bob and I have like the exact same reads, and he explains them far better than even I do.
Invisibility/Kanna slot can be scum with Ank, but idk if they make sense without. Maybe 1 not both
Insomnia took Kanna's slot, not Invisibility
I meant it like
Invisibility/Insomnia can be scum with Ank. One of em
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:29 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2056, bob3141 wrote:insomnia read on me is almost as bad but at least it has more effort. Which is something scum tend to do when pushing their cases. When there really isn't anything behind it.
It amounts to bob asks questions. Bob in no game he has ever played has provided his reads unless asked or in day 4-5 solve. Thus he must of been scum in all his games. At Least insomnia has never played with me before so it could easily be him simply scum reading my play style in general.
Oh bob bounces all over the place. Look at my first game on this site and you will see how much I can bounce around.
Yeah, actually this looks like that one time I rolled scum with Insomnia, not gonna lie.
It’s Ankamius and Insomnia.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:30 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Insomnia’s hard protecting scumAnkamius in day thread in a gamestate fashion.
It’s similar to how I played when I was scum protecting Insomnia. (That game actually got Ras’d up, Insomnia) even though I was double guiltied i still didn’t get killed until that Ras guy showed up.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:31 pm
by Detective Pikachu
I feel like from what you're saying Vissy is like the only read I'd consider compromising on and even then I wouldn't really feel great about it
In post 2058, insomnia wrote:No, you are misinterpreting everything. My point is that you are not interested in discerning anyone's alignment from your questions.
I love riling up scum, they don't understand the method that I'm using here because nobody ever uses it. They always say my case is weak and trash, but they don't even know what my case is trying to say.
Which also makes them even more scummy, because they post from the mentality of "I'm scum but your reasoning sucks" rather than the town mentality of "I'm town why the fuck are you being so dumb"
So what your sayign is you genuinely cant see how my methods work. If you are town it wouldnt be first time a player has misread how i play.
If you are genuine then clear you have reads on all players and i would be very interested to see them. As it will help be determine which of the two you are
Hot damn. This is exactly the type of posts Bob makes as town, specifically in Mafia A La Mode, and I put my all into arguing and twisting the game state through him.
Insomnia has a FL style scum game based on that early scum game he had with me, mixed in with similar playstyle in general.
The Bob interaction is actually incredibly scum indicative because that’s exactly what I did on Pretentious to Bob.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:33 pm
by Detective Pikachu
I guess you have fuzzy moving in and out too but I get the sense you just have no idea what his alignment is and are focusing on people you actively scumread
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:33 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 2246, Detective Pikachu wrote:I feel like from what you're saying Vissy is like the only read I'd consider compromising on and even then I wouldn't really feel great about it
I wouldn’t be 1k Boob Bucks on Invisibility, but he’s the only other of those slots I’d put some Boon Bucks on, so i don’t really want Invisibility.
The team is either Ankamius/Insomnia or Ankamius/Fuzzy, leaning through former.