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[Andresvmb]

Tl;dr - Bob = Scum. Yeet now.

[DkKoba]

2165 - man, this is a bad list. I’m going to just completely ignore it.

2187 - I agree with Datisi’s point here, which was essentially made by Ico early in the day. I am maintaining my soft TR of Alduskkel, even though he insists on going after NPOM (who deserves to remain on the POE, of course) over Bob.

2193 - YES! If VPB is Scum this game, I’ll actually be very impressed.

lol what is going on with u andres

[bob3141]

y does it feel like im the only one whos not a claimed pr rly trying

Yo, real talk corner.

Help me eliminate Bob. If he flips town and I'm alive tomorrow, I give you permission to just yeet me. You can come at me double barrel full Koba rage.

I may only be freshly back to the site and a little rusty, but I'm an expert in human behavior and when people are lying. Bob is scum and I'm not even mad you're misreading him. I'll gladly go 1v1 at this point. If he was town, scum would be all over this. But people are hesitant to vote. Bob is skating by hoping laying low is the ticket to ride. Let's do this.

If you think that you have really bad reads. If your town you really need to work on you game state analysis skills.

[Datisi]

i assume u thought bob was town bc u thought baltar was scum

well ya but also like
the reason i tracked baltar is because i thought bob could be town and to see if baltar is scum so ya know

I don’t have a strong read of Alduskkel either way, but I’m going to guess that most of the analysis on 2210 is broadly accurate, primarily because Datisi (who is likely Town) would strongly come out after Alduskkel if the conclusion was way off. So even if Aduskkel is operating with TMI, Ico remains likely Town.

i find this post extremely hilarious

2210 was made at around 5:30am my time, 2224 at about 8am

and i love how andres takes the fact i haven't jumped at that post yet (i was asleep at the time!) as me agreeing with it because it kinda implies i don't sleep

and to be fair that is not completely inaccurate...

also seriously about 2210, it's Okay. i dunno. it doesn't immediately make me wanna kill either of them.

[Datisi]

I don’t have a strong read of Alduskkel either way, but I’m going to guess that most of the analysis on 2210 is broadly accurate, primarily because Datisi (who is likely Town) would strongly come out after Alduskkel if the conclusion was way off. So even if Aduskkel is operating with TMI, Ico remains likely Town.

@bob, one of the people in your PoE turned out to pretty likely be town via the fiasco that happened. do you have like, updates on the PoE or whatever

[bob3141]

my solve has evolved into : aldu / hellbooks / ico

I dont realy think ico can be scum unless datisi is scum. As last game datisi had a good handle on ico alignment.

Plus ico does come across like the last few times he was town.

[bob3141]

I don’t have a strong read of Alduskkel either way, but I’m going to guess that most of the analysis on 2210 is broadly accurate, primarily because Datisi (who is likely Town) would strongly come out after Alduskkel if the conclusion was way off. So even if Aduskkel is operating with TMI, Ico remains likely Town.

@bob, one of the people in your PoE turned out to pretty likely be town via the fiasco that happened. do you have like, updates on the PoE or whatever

One scum is prob out side of my poe then. I never get the full scum team day one. 2 tops

[bob3141]

Some times none but normaly good reads. Though one thing is always sure is i almost always get the right solve. only once miss picked once as town in lylo

[Datisi]

I never get the full scum team day one. 2 tops

that's fine, who does anyway.

can you talk more about your PoE of aldus/andres/npom then? or like why are they scum?

[DkKoba]

if everyone wasn't on V/LA pretending they don't have crippling internet additions, we'd already be in twilight. Sad.

Bob, you should give your opinions on your PoE pool so we can make associations after you're gone.

dakota, vp bakter, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, powers, jankofan

Hard scum leans on vp baker and and.


rest most likely town.

bob, when you get the time, does this still accurately reflect your feelings on the game?

vp bakter, Alduskkel, Andresvmb, powers,

Thats my poe for today.


im think dkkoba is just opinionated town that is plain and simply wrong

so?

[DkKoba]

are u gonna put down a vote?

[Testarossa]

Only scenario where this makes sense is if scum had a voyeur parked on Baltar since he was doing the kill to see what roles targeted him and saw that tracker was the result. Now of course thats a possibility, and my paranoid brain is triggered a bit by how he responded to Datisi's original claim. Like, "maybe you were rolestopped or something." But thats probably paranoid because it clearly didn't go through since he wasn't in a neighborhood. Also, immediately jumping to claiming his N1 action makes it feel like he may have known a tracker result was coming. But again, given that Dats was demanding a claim it may have been in response to that.

I actually think his behaviour when confronted by Datisi is alright, it's basically the way someone would normally react when a false guilty is claimed on them and they think the person doing that isn't scum. Sure, Voyeur can be possible and maybe he could act that way as scum via instinct. I wouldn't read too much into that reaction.

The only really major trust issue for me here is that he claimed his result on GB in a wrong way, this is for me a huge red flag and I am legit confused no one cares about it. I mean he can't get no result, because he wasn't blocked, we know that due to Datisi. GB wasn't ascetic or also can't have been rolestopped, otherwise the kill wouldn't have gone through unless there is a Strongman, but that's where it is starting to get ridiculous.

Is it just how you play it out here with procrastinating on such flaws and I am just too harsh on it? Because from where I am from, we were... "less nice" with such claims and I think I am pretty moderate here.

[Testarossa]

Ico and Tess, you opposed to yeeting Bob today?

The most frustrating thing is, that today the exact same two sides are forming up like yesterday. The same bob wagon. And basically janko wagon on NPOM (or not voting). I have caught myself thinking to kick the table leg just for shit and giggles and go for bob just to resolve that situation. bob's play has been pretty lackluster so far on D2 which might give me vibes of a scum that is simply resigning, because he knows his partner(s) are hardbussing him no matter what, although I absolutely don't get why. At least in comparision with his town and scum games that I skimmed.

I just don't know though. It usually indicates town when literally almost the whole playerlist has been pushing for his elim at one point and I think I pointed already out why from my point of view it is hard to believe. Who are you scumreading besides bob? Is it just Billy/Aldu then? Feels unlikely. Talk to me about that, then we may or may not get somewhere.

[Testarossa]

Actually, my read on Billy softened quite a bit. I said as much I believe. NPOM is scummy to me, but also says stupid shit. I fully expect him to get resolved before the end of the game.

If you look at the janko wagon, you have obv scum Bob early on and camped there to save his bacon. The next most obvious scum slots on that wagon are either GB or Aldus. I didn't find Aldus' hammer scummy (perhaps even townie given it was needed to advance the game). GB made a ton of sense to investigate.

Fair enough, I think I can dig this answer. Why weren't you considering me though? You could have gained a lot of information with that about the wagon situation and the wagon that was pushing bob with you. Secretly I just wish you would have targeted NPOM though.

[Testarossa]

my solve has evolved into : aldu / hellbooks / ico

Is it with Aldu just about the hammer thing or also something else? I have him in my poe too, however everytime I read through his iso I come out at true neutral and don't really know what to make out of it.

What is giving you bad vibes about hellbooks?

[Testarossa]

NPOM is all over the place with his reads. The Datisi/Baltar thing is so whack, combined with his voting behaviour I can't even tell what he is really up to. It looks almost too much kamikaze for scum, I actually agree with that with hellbooks.

Aldus, who are you scumreading? I get it that you have me and NPOM? Anything else?

[Datisi]

The only really major trust issue for me here is that he claimed his result on GB in a wrong way, this is for me a huge red flag and I am legit confused no one cares about it. I mean he can't get no result, because he wasn't blocked, we know that due to Datisi. GB wasn't ascetic or also can't have been rolestopped, otherwise the kill wouldn't have gone through unless there is a Strongman, but that's where it is starting to get ridiculous.

@baltar, could you clarify what result you got on george last night?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Only scenario where this makes sense is if scum had a voyeur parked on Baltar since he was doing the kill to see what roles targeted him and saw that tracker was the result. Now of course thats a possibility, and my paranoid brain is triggered a bit by how he responded to Datisi's original claim. Like, "maybe you were rolestopped or something." But thats probably paranoid because it clearly didn't go through since he wasn't in a neighborhood. Also, immediately jumping to claiming his N1 action makes it feel like he may have known a tracker result was coming. But again, given that Dats was demanding a claim it may have been in response to that.

I actually think his behaviour when confronted by Datisi is alright, it's basically the way someone would normally react when a false guilty is claimed on them and they think the person doing that isn't scum. Sure, Voyeur can be possible and maybe he could act that way as scum via instinct. I wouldn't read too much into that reaction.

The only really major trust issue for me here is that he claimed his result on GB in a wrong way, this is for me a huge red flag and I am legit confused no one cares about it. I mean he can't get no result, because he wasn't blocked, we know that due to Datisi. GB wasn't ascetic or also can't have been rolestopped, otherwise the kill wouldn't have gone through unless there is a Strongman, but that's where it is starting to get ridiculous.

Is it just how you play it out here with procrastinating on such flaws and I am just too harsh on it? Because from where I am from, we were... "less nice" with such claims and I think I am pretty moderate here.

Honestly I don't think I've ever been a pr and investigated a person that died. You pressing on this does make me a bit more confident in you being town though. Does anyone know. Would you get a result if your target died? I mean it would kinda kill the town value of a watcher if you didn't so is that the limitation.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Fine.

I'm a PT cop. I investigated George Bailey last night. Got no result because he died. Was trying to root out the scum who was sitting in the background.

@Dats, this is what he said when you asked him to claim.

[Datisi]

Does anyone know. Would you get a result if your target died?

i have an idea about this "i got no result" thing, but my issue is if i say it now and baltar confirms, it's gonna be "hurr durr you told scum what answer to give"

[Iconeum]

Ico and Tess, you opposed to yeeting Bob today?

No

[Iconeum]

VOTE: bob

[Datisi]

that's E-1. can we not have a hammer until bob outs his reads please. if he gets conftowned by flip i wanna have them.

[DkKoba]

i want to vote just to spite u

[DkKoba]

also if its lylo tomorrow i will be voting near daystart and force the 5050