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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:59 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2224, innocentvillager wrote:blehhhhhhh

still weird to think any of that comes from scum!abr
How so? Also, are you scum here gambiting with ABR?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:01 am
by Iconeum
In post 2220, VP Baltar wrote:A team like Gamma-DV-ABR makes a lot of sense, but I'm not fully locked in there.
Im not sold on town!noraa slot but this contains like two scum probably

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:01 am
by innocentvillager
I’ve been TRing ABR for a while? Have you not also?

and obviously not?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:02 am
by Iconeum
In post 2223, VP Baltar wrote:Ico, who do you think is the team here?
Ill be able to put zffort in tomorrow

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:04 am
by innocentvillager
is it literally impossible that ABR and Baltar are both town given cakez was town? Can all 3 be in the game

Like can all the current claimed PRs be town or just... no

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:07 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2229, innocentvillager wrote:is it literally impossible that ABR and Baltar are both town given cakez was town? Can all 3 be in the game

Like can all the current claimed PRs be town or just... no
There are reasons beyond balance to think ABR is scum here. I've stated one already.

We should not be letting bullshit around failed role use pass. Been burned by that too many times.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:07 am
by innocentvillager
wait

I was in mini normal 2160 which had Town Rolecop, Town night 1,4 cop, Town Tracker, Informed Townie

this doesn’t seem outside realm of possibility?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:18 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2231, innocentvillager wrote:wait

I was in mini normal 2160 which had Town Rolecop, Town night 1,4 cop, Town Tracker, Informed Townie

this doesn’t seem outside realm of possibility?
The biggest reasons to think he is scum have nothing to do with setup spec.

1) pushing two misyeets and trying to blame others/claim he knew they were wrong the whole time.

2) failing to deliver on a NA that would have cleared another townie

3) not dying as an outted investigative or a sub optimal kill.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:19 am
by VP Baltar
*for a sub optimal kill

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:21 am
by VP Baltar
Saving you was an obvious way to pocket you if you're town IV. That's classic scum play: white knight flailing townie. At worst, they flip green and you say "I told you so". At best, they survive and stan you the rest of the game, even when you're obvABR scum.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:22 am
by VP Baltar
I'm not 100% certain of course, but I'm going to have to hear a damn good case to overcome all the circumstances around ABR.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:26 am
by innocentvillager
In post 2232, VP Baltar wrote:and trying to blame others/claim he knew they were wrong the whole time.
this is the only one outside of setup spec I feel is scummy

If scum have a roleblocker type role (or rolestopped me) they could just mess with the investigation that way, also Datisi is very helpful and was obvtown

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:26 am
by innocentvillager
and was softing Pr

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:28 am
by innocentvillager
don’t forget this is a gypyx setup which is supposedly absolutely wild

scum could be op here as well, rolestopper could fit if there isn’t both scum and town roleblocker

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:30 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2236, innocentvillager wrote:If scum have a roleblocker type role (or rolestopped me) they could just mess with the investigation that way, also Datisi is very helpful and was obvtown
It doesn't matter how helpful Datisi was, that doesn't trump someone getting a guilty on you. There was no guarantee even that ABR would follow the plan. He is wildly unpredictable. There is no way that me as scum would let him live last night.

You could easily ice Datisi the next night.

Who are the scum here and why if not ABR?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:32 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2237, innocentvillager wrote:and was softing Pr
As I said, why not RB Dats and kill the known investigative?

Anyhow, you're using setup spec on shit you don't even know as a defense, whereas I'm voting things that actually happened in this game. Which of those do you think is stronger evidence?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:15 am
by innocentvillager
well, ABR does have a lot of heat rn so?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:16 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2241, innocentvillager wrote:well, ABR does have a lot of heat rn so?
I don't know what this means. You mean that's why you're defending him?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:18 am
by innocentvillager
you are essentially confirmed town here so obviously I will follow your lead at the end of the day (LOl if the team is you, ico, peta)

My prior going into this day was the ABR was pretty townie and seeing all this heat on him seems just a little shocking to me. I might come around but for now I’m at least going to play devils advocate here

Pedit: he is apparently looking pretty suspicious rn and has heat, so maybe scum want to set up him as an ML

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:20 am
by innocentvillager
wait why did you target peta n3, did you think he was scum?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:28 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2244, innocentvillager wrote:wait why did you target peta n3, did you think he was scum?
My thinking on my targets were as follows:

N1: was going to pick Datisi originally because he is paranoid and I didn't want the game to get in a pointless town on town fight. But I was worried about RBing him in case he was a power role, so I picked Ico because I know Datisi would just follow along if Ico said "trust me."

N2: I didn't want to interfere with the ABR-IV interaction (though my gut wanted to RB on ABR post Cakez flip), so I decided to town myself to a less obv town person as a way of triangulating my claim today if I lived. I also figured if there was a sleeper scum, I should try to hit that person because they'd be the one to NK.

I wasn't scum reading Peta, but with two town misyeets now, obviously we need to reconsider the game state and put all realistic possibilities back on the table.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:19 am
by VP Baltar
That feeling when the scum go silent in thread to figure out their next moves. It's fine, I'll wait.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:23 am
by VP Baltar
Most notably, gamma has posted elsewhere since I claimed.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:10 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2207, Dunnstral wrote:Well now it looks like abr is mafia off of claims, tracker, roleblocker, and roaming detective seems like a bit much
Indeed, that’s 3 roles that become much more power when 1 scum is left

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:27 am
by Albert B. Rampage
I'm moving and cyberpunk 2077 is coming out wednesday.

My posting will be greatly reduced.

I see that VPB has fakeclaimed.

VOTE: VPB
FOS Gamma