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Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:46 pm**

In post 2222, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2220, April Ludgate wrote:You just can't really expect to be able to fully trust me on Day 1, but as the game goes on, you definitely will be able to.
If Holiday is scum, where next. And if he's town?

Frankly, probably Tracer either which way. I was feeling Gamma was the scum before Tracer replaced in since I had started to town read A50.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:49 pm**

To be honest, I'm near the point where I'd call Tracer a higher chance of being scum than Holiday, which is another reason I'm comfortable with Hella Jeff this game because of their mindmeld.

I already kinda felt Hella Jeff was seeing us as TvT, which is something I can see being a thing.

But at this point, we need to consolidate, and my second strongest scum read + worst case scenario we fade a highly contested VT slot, then yeah, I feel like it should be obvious that Holiday's the best play, personally.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:55 pm**

Give me a sec on this one.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:56 pm**

If you need to vote me, you need to vote me, but please just don't do it in a way to let Hella Jeff Decide, all i ask.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:58 pm**

@Norwegian - what is your reads list?

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:05 pm**

In post 2191, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2189, Tracer.Bullet wrote:
In post 2162, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But if Jeff is voting Holiday then i guess it doesn’t matter too much in the end anyways. So just cross fingers and hope it could be scum?
Just vote April and give Jeff a choice

otherwise Jeff can have the excuse that he had no choice but to vote for Holiday since he couldn't hammer April.
Hm, that’s persuasive.

i'm here

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:05 pm**

In post 2230, Hella Jeff wrote:
In post 2191, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2189, Tracer.Bullet wrote:
In post 2162, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But if Jeff is voting Holiday then i guess it doesn’t matter too much in the end anyways. So just cross fingers and hope it could be scum?
Just vote April and give Jeff a choice

otherwise Jeff can have the excuse that he had no choice but to vote for Holiday since he couldn't hammer April.
Hm, that’s persuasive.

i'm here

you already have the hammer if you choose Holiday.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:25 pm**

In post 2225, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2222, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2220, April Ludgate wrote:You just can't really expect to be able to fully trust me on Day 1, but as the game goes on, you definitely will be able to.
If Holiday is scum, where next. And if he's town?
Frankly, probably Tracer either which way. I was feeling Gamma was the scum before Tracer replaced in since I had started to town read A50.

In post 2226, April Ludgate wrote:To be honest, I'm near the point where I'd call Tracer a higher chance of being scum than Holiday, which is another reason I'm comfortable with Hella Jeff this game because of their mindmeld.

I already kinda felt Hella Jeff was seeing us as TvT, which is something I can see being a thing.

But at this point, we need to consolidate, and my second strongest scum read + worst case scenario we fade a highly contested VT slot, then yeah, I feel like it should be obvious that Holiday's the best play, personally.

Hm, see. I actually think Tracer Bullet has been really townie.

I was actually saying to myself that if April ends up pushing them as scum then that's probably +scum for April.
I've also been feeling like there is no real way that Holiday can be scum anymore, and that a lot of slots that i either do not trust or do not have a townread on are the ones in favour of limming Holiday.

In post 2117, MegAzumarill wrote:Holiday (6) April Ludgate, Almost50, Dwlee99, T3, Something_Smart, Enchant [E-1]
April Ludgate (5) Holiday, Andante, Tracer.Bullet, osuka, geraintm

A50 is shitposting and cannot be trusted. Dwlee seems too confident but also not confident enough at the same time, i also do not understand why he isn't considering the other side and the potential that April could be scum, it's like he isn't genuinely thinking but just pushing an agenda.
T3 has the BG claim so he could unironically be town even though his play lately has been shit, assuming that April is mafia. But it doesn't seem like T3 has considered their current vote to any noteworthy extent so it's not something i'd sheep. S_S is the slot i always see as just as likely being town as mafia so i cannot trust them. Enchant used to be Gamma whom i liked, but Gamma is also one of the few slots that are really good at making me townread them even if they are mafia, and the new replacement is just... yeah.

And for the opposition wagon, we have Holiday whom doesn't feel like they have an agenda in the latest pages, and their angry tone and lack of any sort of appeasement strategies would be bad play if they are mafia, but they haven't given up either. Which would be contradictory if they are scum. Either they should just give up or keep up the argument, but instead they've gone for this odd sort of middle road which is giving that sort of playstyle dissonance that probably doesn't come from someone with an agenda.
Andante posted a lot of long posts earlier that seemed like they were genuinely trying to sort, granted they've kinda regressed lately. But i do think they've been genuinely solving earlier, i do believe they are the worst slot on the wagon though. Tracer Bullet's aggressive solving has felt really good and i can almost never see this sort of playstyle as scummy, they have this kinda righteousness vibe that is hard to fake a la Nero Cain when he is town. He's also asked some biting questions and seems genuinely to be trying to find mafia or cause them to slip up. Osuka has also just seemed tonewise and gutwise town, with their string of posts from 1862 to 1866 being an particularly noteworthy example of the sort of post progression that is actually really hard to fake as scum but comes naturally for townies. Meanwhile Geraint is literally just town and nobody will convince me otherwise.

Also i can't get the imagery of you sweet talking Nancy Drew to vote me in Anime Theme out of my mind, and it kinda feels like you've been aiming to do this on me here. Apologies if it was genuinely meant, but after reviewing all other factors, this seems like the right choice to make.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:26 pm**

VOTE: April

Over to you Jeff.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 pm**

acknowledging

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:38 pm**

57 minutes btw

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:38 pm**

I think Norwegian's analysis on Tracer is really poor. =/

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:39 pm**

In post 2223, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2221, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2215, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 2211, Dwlee99 wrote:Norwee can you trust me and then trust april by proxy?
But i don't trust u either.
but why not
Your insistence that it's a good idea to wagon Holiday, but also apprehensiveness about the flip pings me.

This is fucking bullshit

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:43 pm**

Apprehension? Do I think it is

possible

holiday flips town? Yea, because I DON'T HAVE A GUILTY ON THEM

Ridiculous how because I'm not 100% confident on this but still WANT this strongly over April it's "pinging" you

Also tracer -> norwee is a valid lim order regardless of this flip

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:43 pm**

are we actually e1ing the simple doctor claim

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:44 pm**

tracer, one of Norwegian/Hella Jeff slots, one of Holiday/someone on Holiday wagon slot is 90%+ the team.

Came in after my claim today thinking this after wagonomics, and wanted to believe other wise. The way it got stalled made it feel like there was one in Norwegian/Hella Jeff and that they wanted the wagon to go towards me but were waiting for the other to make first move.

I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)

Norwegian eventually chose to let Hella Jeff, the townie, come in and make the decision, but I made sure to make Norwegian not be able to just use that as the excuse.

Tracer was even starting to set Norwegian up to do so.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:45 pm**

In post 2240, April Ludgate wrote:I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)

I want this shown as my final reads if I die.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:45 pm**

In post 2241, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2240, April Ludgate wrote:I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)
I want this shown as my final reads if I die.

Yo same. Although maybe not the "on holiday" thing

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 pm**

In post 2239, T3 wrote:are we actually e1ing the simple doctor claim

Holiday is an OMGUSer, Andante is a Sheep, Tracer is scum pushing my wagon, Osuka had a compromise vote, geraint just can't comprehend how people get early day 1's and goes all "what players should play like", and Norwegian was fence sitting trying to get on my wagon without seeming too eager.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:47 pm**

In post 2242, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 2241, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 2240, April Ludgate wrote:I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)
I want this shown as my final reads if I die.
Yo same. Although maybe not the "on holiday" thing

i said "if not holiday", but i think there's a strong reasoning for Norwegian/Tracer previously Gamma slot tbh

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:49 pm**

In post 599, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway, serious business.
I think April is town in this game.

And i do have a lot of experience with scum!Flavour Leaf so i think my accuracy should be somewhat decent.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:50 pm**

In post 2245, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 599, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway, serious business.
I think April is town in this game.

And i do have a lot of experience with scum!Flavour Leaf so i think my accuracy should be somewhat decent.

i guess this was super early, but i dont think ive changed that much since then tbh.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:52 pm**

I would say go Tracer-->Norwegian-->Holiday. Holiday is stuck in their VT claim, so you can let that sit.

You can flip Tracer/Norwegian if you want, but if there are any Cops out there, just investigate Norwegian.

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:54 pm**

In post 1758, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How did we lose Gamma and end up with this.

when tracer replaced in

Posted: **Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:55 pm**

In post 1778, Tracer.Bullet wrote:People need to take a stance and pick a side

this game is already too long in D1.

If Dwlee only claims miller as town that's a trust tell.

Tracer came in forcing people to pick sides because they didnt want people splitting off from me.

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