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In post 2155, VP Baltar wrote:He's just got a whole "path of least resistance" vibe.

this seems ridiculously untrue and does not strike me as a real thought

In post 2156, Aristeia wrote:every time I read a GuiltyLion - VPBaltar conversation I think it's like Batman fighting the Joker.

literally me wtf ari

i'm bored of this game

can someone give me a good reason not to vote dannflor

i'm bored of this game

can someone give me a good reason not to vote dannflor

In post 2179, ConManMick wrote:

In post 1921, Ausuka wrote:

In post 1714, ConManMick wrote:

In post 1624, GuiltyLion wrote:although CMM I do want to know who those other people are still

OK I read back some and ISOd some folks
I think there's scum in:
Ari, marci, the eira slot, frog, firered
I need to read marci's iso because it was all incidental stuff from reading other folks'.
I think your push on FB is wrong but useful and I like your play.
My Datisi read I think is wrong for now and I'm gonna move my vote. Later stuff certainly appears to be working toward a solve. Page 28 interactions with FB aside but I thing ye all talked about that enough.
I thought also maybe skip and scamp had scum between them but then actually skitter's iso looked pretty good and I haven't looked at scamp properly yet.
HEMs early stuff I thought town and also VP but a few things struck me as off from both and I would like to look back properly at both.
I don't particularly think FB is town but I can wait for him to kick into gear for now and he's done enough that I am not auto scumreading so I don't want to vote there right now.
I am interested in seeing more of Xof's iso dives to see what kind of content is there
I will look at some stuff in the morning. I'm trying to just chuck down rough notes so I don't have to start fresh so I appreciate this is a bit halfhazard.

RN I like Datisi, Nero, and GL.

VOTE: Ari

A lot of these reads feel hedgey and I'm super unclear on your thought process. Like, what actually is your read on Datisi? Are you actually just townreading him for producing game relevant content or is there something more to it?

If you haven't done so yet I would also like to hear about your scumreads. I know it's unfair to expect a replacement to be like right on the ball immediately but a lot of this stuff is super vague and looks trivial to fake

I think I said elsewhere or so that datisi's iso looks like it's trying to advance the gamesstate and day one I think that's town. Do you think there's anything to be said of you reading my posts as being vague and expected or whatever for a replacement vs others saying I'm posting in a manner that sounds overly informed? Do you agree with their assessment?

In post 1929, Ausuka wrote:

In post 1793, ConManMick wrote:Marci- posts seem to just be cutesy one liners alluding to solving the game but not really demonstrating any intent to contribute.

How do you think Marci would play different if she were town here?

Marci's iso doesn't read as trying to advance the gamestate, it's like performatively present with one liners and whatever. It doesn't strike me as town, it's more like a show of being present.

i think being 'informed' makes sense if it's in the sense, like, they don't think your reads are genuine? for my part I think your reads being super vague show a lack of like, curiousity I would expect from town.

also - what I'm trying to ask about Marci is like, how do you think she would play as town? do you think she wouldn't be using one liners as town? i don't feel like you answered what i was asking

In post 2227, Datisi wrote:i'm bored of this game

can someone give me a good reason not to vote dannflor

no because there are none

my hot take is that conman is not being townie rn but also i am fine focusing on dann rn so /shrug lol

is that actually a hot take

i'm on a budget rn

I get a bad vibe from your new avi Dats

i think everyone does

In post 2234, Gamma Emerald wrote:I get a bad vibe from your new avi Dats

thank you i spent an hour editing it to get it exactly right

It was intended, noted

I’m town

I will be able to catch up properly within the next 24 hours but my initial feels are that Dann is town. Do I have reason for it? Not really, but maybe I will later.

Conman I could go either way on and I’ll need to do a bit more of a read.

I’m stiiill comfortable with the vote on GL and a lot of his posts make me twitch a bit but I’m not going to be passionately advocating for that until I’ve had a chance to really think about it because obviously confirmation bias can be a thing

Initial vibes list, with intent to iso a few people after:


DV: I've played a lot of Survivor and a handful of games with him, and I know what it looks like when he's lying and being the worst. All signs point to this is his town game and I trust him and his judgment.
scamper: I like when this guy posts.
obscure: I liked Skitter before you, and I loved your entrance after replacing. Everything you post about is reasonable and the things you aren't quite sure about, you're at least asking questions to figure it out more. I like where your head is at. Keep at it.
Nero: You know, the more you post, the more you're reminding me of how you were in both Dogs v Cats and Mainstream Mafia, where you were town in both and had that same kind of approach. So even if you're more of an acquired taste, I think I'm used to it now where I feel confident calling you town.
HEM: I've liked what you've said and nothing has changed from when I did your isocheck.
firs: Still like, nothing new vibes there.


Ausuka: I still dunno where to put you, you fluctuate like nobody's business.
Datisi: You're more good than you are bad, and moving much more solidly into good since you don't have helljob dragging down your whole vibe. But I'm not quite sure.
Gamma: You're actually on the lower end of neutral. I don't find what you're posting to be really problematic, I've seen you post like this as town. But I think I've also seen you post like this as scum so i don't know where to sort you. I know I'm fond of you? But I don't think that helps clear you up at all.
Dann: I like you, like a ton. I think your entrance was pretty okay and it's not really pinging me bad the same way it seems to be other people, but some of those people I like and trust their opinions aren't sure on you, so I wanna just look at you closer under that lens. But I'm not so sure about you that I want to vote you. Also who you replaced was just null af IMO.
Firebringer: You're also at the bottom end of neutral. You're somebody I can never tell how much of my weird ??? feels are because of AI reasons or your brand of shitposting. You're a puzzle I can never quite crack.
Ydrasse: There's not a lot there, but I wouldn't say I think you're completely towny forever. But you're also not being weird in a way where I think you're scum either. you're here and I'm glad you are.
GL: No clue, need to check you. But you're definitely at the bottom end of neutral.
Relly: I like you, like a lot, and you've said things which put you up top, but you also got a little... something recently, but I think you might just have things going on and that's why you moved down.
Frog: Your start was.. something but it's continued to get better, where I actually think you're doing stuff that's good. You're progressing things, so you're at the high end of neutral.


marcistar: I don't know if you're actually bad or I just find a lot of your posts a bit too emotional in a way that doesn't quite jive with what I like in a game. You remind me of Noraa in that way, so maybe it's an age difference thing and I'm just a grumpy old guy. I wanna iso you some more.
CMM: I think I need to iso you cuz I just got nothing. But I've mostly been skimming since you came in.
Aristeia: I feel incredibly null about you and your game presence, but it's not null in a *good* way. Like when you post and it reminds me that you're in the game, it reminds me that I'm overlooking you and a little danger light pops up. Wanna look at you in iso if that changes.
VPB: You're only just in here. Early on I liked some of your points, and I'm not quite sure what changed but there's been some posts that tone felt something.

If I put them together in a single list:
scamper
obscure
DV
firs
hem
Nero
Frog
Datisi
Relly
Ausuka
Ydrasse
firebringer
GL
VPB
CMM
aristeia
marci

inchresting

In post 2206, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 2186, ConManMick wrote:I think VP's analysis of me is softing that I'm town so when I flip he can point to having read me correctly for D2 credit

This is a very, talk shit get limmed post.

You think I should be scum reading you? Also curious to hear how serious you think my vote on you was.

Honestly dude there were a bunch of naked or low hanging fruit votes on me. I don't think it was serious but whatever you call it, it wasn't town. It was a cheapshot. An easy way to get onto a popular wagon in an innocent looking fashion. And maybe low-key softpocketing whoever that was you asked who you should vote. And like, it's a large game, you can afford to lose me as town if it makes catching scum easier, so idk what vibe you want to give off with that "talk shit get limmed" stuff, I'm not exactly shaking in my boots

In post 2208, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 2207, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 2206, VP Baltar wrote:This is a very, talk shit get limmed post.

Can you explain what this means? I see town express that kind of read and sentiment all the time. It's extremely natural for a townie to be looking for people who seem like they know they'll flip town and are potentially maneuvering around that.

It means, I don't care much if conman is the D1 lim, and if he'd like me to just vote him without actually thinking about his alignment just to prove something, I will.

Lmao exactly, convenient jump on a wagon
"It's not AI, that was just the wagon"
Bro vote me, I'll fucken claim hammer let's do it

In post 2229, Ausuka wrote:

In post 2179, ConManMick wrote:

In post 1921, Ausuka wrote:

In post 1714, ConManMick wrote:

In post 1624, GuiltyLion wrote:although CMM I do want to know who those other people are still

OK I read back some and ISOd some folks
I think there's scum in:
Ari, marci, the eira slot, frog, firered
I need to read marci's iso because it was all incidental stuff from reading other folks'.
I think your push on FB is wrong but useful and I like your play.
My Datisi read I think is wrong for now and I'm gonna move my vote. Later stuff certainly appears to be working toward a solve. Page 28 interactions with FB aside but I thing ye all talked about that enough.
I thought also maybe skip and scamp had scum between them but then actually skitter's iso looked pretty good and I haven't looked at scamp properly yet.
HEMs early stuff I thought town and also VP but a few things struck me as off from both and I would like to look back properly at both.
I don't particularly think FB is town but I can wait for him to kick into gear for now and he's done enough that I am not auto scumreading so I don't want to vote there right now.
I am interested in seeing more of Xof's iso dives to see what kind of content is there
I will look at some stuff in the morning. I'm trying to just chuck down rough notes so I don't have to start fresh so I appreciate this is a bit halfhazard.

RN I like Datisi, Nero, and GL.

VOTE: Ari

A lot of these reads feel hedgey and I'm super unclear on your thought process. Like, what actually is your read on Datisi? Are you actually just townreading him for producing game relevant content or is there something more to it?

If you haven't done so yet I would also like to hear about your scumreads. I know it's unfair to expect a replacement to be like right on the ball immediately but a lot of this stuff is super vague and looks trivial to fake

I think I said elsewhere or so that datisi's iso looks like it's trying to advance the gamesstate and day one I think that's town. Do you think there's anything to be said of you reading my posts as being vague and expected or whatever for a replacement vs others saying I'm posting in a manner that sounds overly informed? Do you agree with their assessment?

In post 1929, Ausuka wrote:

In post 1793, ConManMick wrote:Marci- posts seem to just be cutesy one liners alluding to solving the game but not really demonstrating any intent to contribute.

How do you think Marci would play different if she were town here?

Marci's iso doesn't read as trying to advance the gamestate, it's like performatively present with one liners and whatever. It doesn't strike me as town, it's more like a show of being present.

i think being 'informed' makes sense if it's in the sense, like, they don't think your reads are genuine? for my part I think your reads being super vague show a lack of like, curiousity I would expect from town.

also - what I'm trying to ask about Marci is like, how do you think she would play as town? do you think she wouldn't be using one liners as town? i don't feel like you answered what i was asking

Oh I gotcha. Yeah look I skimmed a lot of the shit and decided rather than getting bogged down in catchup I'd get the gist and jump in because rn I'd rather engage with fresher content, I understand now how that must've come across.

Yeah I guess you're asking me more about marci as a person here rather than the generic player in the game and I don't know marci like that. I do t have a meta read or whatever, on most of the players here in fact, so I'm gonna deal with what's in front of me. And what's in front of me reads at best as a sort of vague indifference ranging to posting for the sake of being seen, and that just strikes me as anti town.

In post 2231, Datisi wrote:my hot take is that conman is not being townie rn but also i am fine focusing on dann rn so /shrug lol

You can do this really cool thing where you can actually vote for the people you think are not town, and when enough of us agree we actually tell them they're not qllpwdd to post anymore and we reveal their role!

you'll notice i'm voting for dannflor!

also aristeia is never going to die today with the case you've posted on her so i would like to kindly recommend to either make a better case on her or find a better vote!

2240 feels p townie to me.

In post 1552, Dannflor wrote:

In post 1445, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1443, Ausuka wrote:

In post 1437, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1432, Datisi wrote:hey gamma

do you have any fresh reads you wanna share

xof and nero I think I'm willing to call town atp
why you asking?

Do you think it's unreasonable in some way for Datisi to ask you for reads

I give reads at my own pace so I wanted to know why Datisi wanted more from me

I liked this post. I'm pretty sure someone else commented similar but:

1. the independent kinda indignant attitude strikes me as town
2. it seems to show some reflexive curiosity about Datisi

gamma seems to be on the lower half of the player list consensus reads wise so I'd also suspect them of trying a little harder to look towny by explaining reads when prompted or offering up as much as they can. instead they are very relaxed and when prompted - doesn't share much and instead prods Datisi based on what seems to be a natural reason

I like this

In post 1555, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: Frogsterking

This isn't helpful but I like it lmao

In post 1559, Dannflor wrote:I don't town read marci and I think their emotional response to Ausuka can very much be genuine regardless of their alignment

In post 1561, Dannflor wrote:

In post 1558, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1555, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: Frogsterking

y?

I don't think coming in as a replacement and automatically town reading all (or almost all) the active slots immediately shows you are critically thinking about the game at all

I think it shows you want to blend in with the crowd and survive

plus the survey as a substitute for content is icky

This to whoever @me about only listing three townreads, urchins at straws and making soft reasons to jump on wagons
Also survey bleh

In post 1566, Dannflor wrote:also idk about their meta but scum usually doesn't behave the way my predecessor did of giving out 0 content

they didn't even throw out a hedged read or some wishy washy faked reads

they were like, sorry my brain is overloaded and dipped. they didn't try and were perfectly content about that. they were a townie who got overwhelmed by the volume of the game.

I think Fireisred pushing there makes some sense because they were looking for something specific but I'm skeptical about genuine scum reads on the slot. Scum usually doesn't behave like that and I'd challenge people to find instances of scum behaving like that.

Hard disagree with your opening here though, scum can definitely do that shit

In post 1570, Dannflor wrote:

In post 1562, Datisi wrote:

In post 1556, Dannflor wrote:I also think Datisi is town

y

largely your initial reactions to being scum read by several slots

I felt like I recognized it as a place I've been in multiple times before where it is difficult to keep your cool

I generally think scum tends to be more self conscious and you also strike me as a self-aware player in general, and as such I think you'd be a little more cognizant of going hyper defensive right off the bat.

particularly the post where you outlined your thought process in bullet points struck me as particularly natural frustration.

I like this

In post 1571, Dannflor wrote:someone call me a deepwolf again. i will throw things

I don't like this

In post 1619, Dannflor wrote:

In post 1148, marcistar wrote:

In post 1065, VP Baltar wrote:Related question, what are your feelings on the elephant in the room?

OG i think elephant is townie because their posts are geared towards solving, i still think so. i think maybe elephant is the most townie seeming person on pl rn, but i have had a few doubts but i choose to ignore those!

could you put into more specific words why elephant is the more townie than anyone else?

People are avoiding elephant reads feels like, @scamper I still wanna know why in a post when you mentioned having a more developed read on elephant you still voted me instead on "oof bad entrance"

In post 1654, Dannflor wrote:I would join a wagon on Marci now I think

Keen


Yeah dann wagon bad wagon tbh, I think his slot sucks before he joins

Datisi wrote:you'll notice i'm voting for dannflor!

also aristeia is never going to die today with the case you've posted on her so i would like to kindly recommend to either make a better case on her or find a better vote!

What's your opinion on aristeia? You know her better than me, tell me what you think of her play vs what you expect to see and all that jazz