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In post 1067, mastina wrote:

In post 1042, Roden wrote:

In post 1037, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 1036, Roden wrote:Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

Pray continue....

I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.

Btw there's actually TWO reasons for why I think that this is a scumclaim from Roden, maybe 3.
jjh can probably get 1-2 of them, small outside chance of all 3.

But,
VOTE: Roden

Roden is effectively confscum with that claim.

In post 1076, fireisredsir wrote:VOTE: titus

In post 1123, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1117, mastina wrote:

In post 1070, Andresvmb wrote:Lukewarm is really the player that asked the important blow up question first so unless that was planned (not likely) I wouldn’t vote there either.

Have you heard about the idea that scum see their scumbuddies slip in situations that the town wouldn't?

And how every time, the scum insist that they would've seen it as town, when actually, no, they wouldn't have?

Lukewarm is the MOST suspicious, not the least.

I think I understand where you’re coming from with that actually.

Look my view of the game just got blown up. The two Town that died yesterday I was positive on, particularly Nero Cain, and I do agree that BlueBloodedToffee is a very reasonable Vig shot, which means I need to clear Vivax in my head for now and abandon my view entirely. That also means that I need to listen to those that may have a better grasp of what’s going on while I recalibrate.

I’ll vote Roden for now.

VOTE: Roden

In post 1132, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 1126, Vivax wrote:You just made three strawmans you could answer yourself.

The sentence: 'I don't think anything about the BBT kill' would have achieved the purpose of communicating that.

And why is it relevant if you thought I was scummy before? So did a bunch of others.

I was confused by the question. "That would mean you don't find the BBT kill weird enough to believe he was vigged. But then, why don't you agree with suspecting those who did if you are town?"

"That would mean [something that I never said or thought]" Like you made up something I thought, and then tried to use that as a gatcha question on me.

Your example sentence does not even accurately portray my thoughts, because on the flip my first thought about BBT was that his kill was odd given the scum reads on him. My second thought was that the scum team must have guessed he was a PR based on his lurking.

So, I did not think it odd that other people came to the conclusion that it could be a vig kill. It is just a different conclusion from the same thought about the kill.

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This reads like you are pre-empting backing off the read, but you missed that train...

As I was typing it, was I thinking about

In post 1109, jjh927 wrote:I highly doubt productivity dropped below 50% simply because of how averages are gonna work here

Because, I had not actually thought about the productivity levels until I read it. I was more focused on the fact that we had no way to know if there even was a vig in this game, because the mechanics of the game gives scum an unknown number of kills. Which also makes this a game where scum could totally fake claim vig. And it also would make sense for you in particular to fake claim it since you got several votes right off the bat start of the day.

But, then I saw the jjh post. And

In post 1005, Datisi wrote:jailkeeper + 1 day neighbourizer [cost: 30%

In post 1005, Datisi wrote:doctor [cost: 30%;

Actually looking at the productivity levels needed to power the PRs, I think that he might be right.

So thats fun. Seems the most likely out come for me this game now is that I am getting Vig shot tonight

VOTE: Titus

In post 1210, Klick wrote:

furtiveglance
Vivax
fireisredsir
Lukewarm
Malakittens
PenguinPower
Ausuka
Andresvmb
Uncrowned

Ydrasse
jjh927
Titus
mastina
Roden

RCEnigma
Something_Smart

Merged the two middle sections, I think this better represents my current thoughts

VOTE: Something_Smart
I think he's been consistently scummy and isn't quite sure what to do in the current gamestate other than possibly eatch town implode

In post 1229, Klick wrote:VOTE: Roden

In post 1237, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: Roden

I think this is also a good wagon and would like to see a full claim here

In post 1238, Uncrowned wrote:yeah this is good

VOTE: Roden

mastina's reads look solid

In post 1259, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 1024, Something_Smart wrote:I was gonna vote peta though so I guess I can't be that mad.

This is sus

VOTE: Something_Smart

In post 1315, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: roden

Sheep Mastina.


Mastina has solid reads and from my past games with her this feels more like town-Stina rather than scum-her! The reasons she elaborated on doesn’t feel made up or fluffy so hence why she’s solid town for me.

I do believe vivax so not touching there with a 10 foot pole.

I will have more later but I’m at work and kinda skimmed.

In post 1337, PenguinPower wrote:oop - i borked my s_s vote

VOTE: s_s

there we go

everything is right with the world now

In post 1340, Titus wrote:VOTE: SS

Will consider a Roden vote upon review as that's a strong mastina read.

In post 1342, Uncrowned wrote:VOTE: Something_Smart

In post 1343, Vivax wrote:

In post 1337, PenguinPower wrote:oop - i borked my s_s vote

VOTE: s_s

there we go

everything is right with the world now

Can you explain what this vote of yours is attempting to communicate?
I heavily oppose a SS lim

VOTE: something_smart

In post 1369, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: roden

im like entirely checked out but i think this wagon looks Ok idk what roden's done this game

In post 1527, Vivax wrote:

In post 1526, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 1525, Vivax wrote:So how was your day? I was chasing two dogs of a friend who ran off through a swathe of forest and shouted around for them like a madman, before I got called and told they were right back at the starting point: The car.
Feels almost like this game.

I was volunteering in a cafe today. That's also like this game.

I saw a small deer at a stream, got handed 5 big chanterelles even though they were out of season. Was afraid the dogs found something to chase and jumped off a cliff or something.
But it feels good to know I can go back to focus on my slides and books now that the game is in the bag because we're in hardbus meta.
Kinda bummered the epidemiology guy died in the middle of the semester last year, maybe he didn't listen to the risk assessment I submitted.

VOTE: Roden

L-2

I may or may not be able to shoot again, if you want me to shoot, give suggestions. No promises, a roleblocker is likely.

In post 1662, Vivax wrote:

In post 1327, Titus wrote:So in simple terms, you're saying mastina has been scummy?

In post 1325, Titus wrote:Mastina is highly unlikely to be scum.

In post 141, Titus wrote:

In post 91, Klick wrote:Subject: Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

In post 423, mastina wrote:Yo, very important to note:

I am a Beloved Princess

.

No, seriously; no joke; this is a realclaim. (I can fullclaim the wording use, but I've reason not to.)

Obviously, this needs to be said since eliminating me during the day is a Very Bad Idea. (I'll need to ask a question to the mod about Vigs tho.)

I may or may not be feeling like playing tonight but it'll either be shortly or not until tomorrow-at-earliest.

VOTE: mastina

Town

On phone and posts unsorted, but I‘ll just join this wagon after finding this noteworthy on an ISO of Titus.
But yeah announced superscumkiller mastina didn‘t quite die before Peta and Nero.

Guess if I consider Luke town despite my pathological paranoia, I should take another look at maybe Uncrowned.
Since Luke is kinda leading the lim on Titus

VOTE: Titus

In post 1745, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: Titus

I like this wagon, and have explained why I'm sus of her

I don't really agree with the idea (mostly proposed by Titus I think to be fair) that scum wouldn't bus Ircher here - it seems like Ircher was mostly going antispew from the start and probably TMId that only four scum exist in this game. There's no point in trying to save a buddy if they don't want to be saved and the situation looks bad for them - a scum flip d1 with no associatives tends not to be the worst thing in the world for a maf team and I think most teams are bus happy - like, I fully believe that Titus is not fond of bussing compared to the average player, but in this situation where Ircher is dead in the water, maybe even wants to be bussed, and the rest of the team probably wants to bus him - would anyone not be willing to bus in that situation, regardless of their meta?

In post 1769, Titus wrote:VOTE: Roden

Check in tmo when sober xD

In post 1794, Vivax wrote:VOTE: Titus

Fine, gonna flipflop again.

In post 1808, Vivax wrote:

In post 1806, Titus wrote:

In post 1802, Vivax wrote:I‘ll be honoured if anyone compared me to Garfield
It‘s surprisingly accurate lmao

Am I vain, or who? TF do I know I only play invitationals for now.
And also that we live in parallel realities. I <3 this country

Luke scum. He expects me to acknowledge him because he posted a lot of words equalling waaah Titus caught my partner for bad reasons

Waaaah we ride shiny and chrome valhalla style?

VOTE: Roden

Ergh I can‘t stop laughing at all of this including past games

In post 1879, Uncrowned wrote:VOTE: Roden

cheeky L-1

In post 1922, Uncrowned wrote:VOTE: S_S

In post 1953, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: Titus

In post 2020, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 1219, Roden wrote:

In post 1190, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1180, Roden wrote:

In post 1177, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1148, Roden wrote:

In post 1136, Andresvmb wrote:You’re using the NK to justify your vote, which is always suspect (it’s like you haven’t even considered that Scum make kills to confuse / frame the Town). But the single most important way you’re pointing to for identifying Scum in the game from day play conflicts directly with that vote. The fact that you’re not even acknowledging that is bizarre.

I'm voting Titus because it's a read on how she plays the game as scum. She kills threats and stays low key. I can scum read her independently of how I think the scum team played around Ircher's slip. If you think that's a scummy thought process then you're gonna have to explain why because I don't get it.

I didn’t call it Scummy I called it odd.

Imagine I said that I think Scum went out of their way to defend Ircher. And then I voted Titus. And when you asked me why, I made the NK argument you made. I would fully expect for you to ask me well, Titus actively attacked Ircher the entire time. Doesn’t that give you pause? Wouldn’t that contradict what you’re saying is the main reason to suspect someone to be Scum? That’s more where I’m coming from. Not being consistent with your thought process isn’t Scum indicative actually. At least I don’t think so.

The thing is that I wouldn't question you on that. I don't think it's odd to have conflicting scum reads, or have a specific scum read as an exception to how one thinks scum would play.

And I figured you saw the thought process as scummy because you were voting me. I don't think you voted me just because you think I'm odd.

I was trying to put a vote down based on what someone who seems to have a better grasp on the game is voting (I think mastina is Town?). I haven’t actually myself figured out who I think is most likely to be Scum.

I haven’t been historically able to read Titus properly. I think your points aren’t totally silly. I think if the Scum had two shots, shooting petapan who seemed to have a magnifying glass aimed at Titus makes a lot of sense.

Also, what do you make of 468 through 470 from Uncrowned? This is why I think it’s possible they’re Scum (if I had to summarize it).

I think it's a little out of place for them to suggest that because Ircher's wagon didn't hit a lull that it implies it wasn't a mis-elim wagon, when there wasn't really a chance for it to hit a lull in the first place. The focus on the Ydrasse wagon also feels weird, it was obvious the votes were just leftover from RVS. The vote on me is just kind of whatever though, like I thought it was weird when it happened since they seemed confident that Ircher was scum, and pressuring a low activity player is baseline scum play. But they aren't on my radar atm.

is this the attempt to engage with me after being prodded by andre that you're talking about? because this is the only other thing i can possibly thing of, and this isn't asking anything of me at all

"yeah guys i swear i really prodded uncrowned but he's just refusing to interact with me now that i'm actually talking to him" lol this can't be a serious thing you're trying to push rn

i also asked andre to elaborate on those posts and he's yet to say anything i believe so uhh, must be scum too i guess.

VOTE: Roden

i find it too hard to believe he's not blatantly lying about his intentions with me. good elim let's go squad

In post 2028, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: roden

e-1

In post 2043, Vivax wrote:VOTE: Titus

Well, I really want to be right on that Roden tone-/motivation-read, and S_S doesn't seem to be happening, he popped in briefly on the last page or so.
Although I'd vastly prefer to kill anyone who posted less

In post 2226, furtiveglance wrote:Back to this, they're not giving enough for me.

VOTE: Something_Smart

In post 1250, Datisi wrote:Roden [5]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Ausuka, Uncrowned

In post 1350, Datisi wrote:Roden [5]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Ausuka, Malakittens

In post 1425, Datisi wrote:Roden [6]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Ausuka, Malakittens, Ydrasse

In post 1500, Datisi wrote:Roden [6]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Ausuka, Malakittens, Ydrasse

In post 1711, Datisi wrote:Roden [6]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Ausuka, Malakittens, Ydrasse

In post 1751, Datisi wrote:Roden [5]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Malakittens, Ydrasse

In post 1875, Datisi wrote:Roden [7]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Vivax

In post 2013, Datisi wrote:Roden [6]: mastina, Andresvmb,

klick

, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus

In post 1405, fireisredsir wrote:also i guess i should say that i don't really trust mastina at all, not super interested in sheeping reads there

roden seems alright so far. the claim has a couple weird things about it but i think that it could come from town. i don't really want to get into that discussion too much yet due to reasons, but the play outside of that seems maybe a little scummy

ig the main reason i don't want to vote there is bc of mastina, but maybe that's dumb, idk