Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)


Forum rules
User avatar
Thok
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
User avatar
User avatar
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Posts: 7013
Joined: March 28, 2005

Post Post #2225 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:03 am

Post by Thok »

Move: Qd4
just so that somebody is voting for something.

But really, where is everybody?
I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Abstract Actuary
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Goon
Goon
Posts: 442
Joined: October 11, 2007
Location: Chicago

Post Post #2226 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:48 am

Post by Abstract Actuary »

Move: Qd4
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2227 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:00 am

Post by SaintKerrigan »

Sorry, forgot to check this game.

Move: Qd4

Move Count

(3) Qd4: Thok, Abstract Actuary, SaintKerrigan
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
Haylen
Haylen
Life of the Third Party
User avatar
User avatar
Haylen
Life of the Third Party
Life of the Third Party
Posts: 6831
Joined: April 1, 2009
Location: Southern England

Post Post #2228 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:49 am

Post by Haylen »

Aye ok.

Move: Qd4


(4) Qd4: Thok, Abstract Actuary, SaintKerrigan, Hayl
Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
I am sorry if you have to prod me, I have absolutely no concept of time.

My prefered pronoun set is "cie/cir/cirs[elf]" but they is more than acceptable.
User avatar
veerus
veerus
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
veerus
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1050
Joined: May 16, 2008

Post Post #2229 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:44 pm

Post by veerus »

move: Qd4


/hammer
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
-Fight Club
User avatar
Mr. Black
Mr. Black
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
Mr. Black
Townie
Townie
Posts: 59
Joined: February 12, 2010

Post Post #2230 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:31 pm

Post by Mr. Black »

White plays
Qd4
.
You brought this on yourself, you know.
User avatar
Mr. Black
Mr. Black
Townie
User avatar
User avatar
Mr. Black
Townie
Townie
Posts: 59
Joined: February 12, 2010

Post Post #2231 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:31 am

Post by Mr. Black »

Rd6
You brought this on yourself, you know.
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Mr. Flay
Metatron
User avatar
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Metatron
Metatron
Posts: 24969
Joined: March 12, 2004
Location: Gormenghast
Contact:

Post Post #2232 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:45 am

Post by Mr. Flay »

Mr. Flay wrote:Board position in first post updated; let me know if there are any errors.
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Abstract Actuary
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Goon
Goon
Posts: 442
Joined: October 11, 2007
Location: Chicago

Post Post #2233 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:53 am

Post by Abstract Actuary »

I'm thinking Qd3.
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2234 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:55 am

Post by SaintKerrigan »

Board position in first post isn't updated.


I'm really liking axb5 right about now. I'll hold off on a vote while I stew on that move (and others; a5 is the other move that interests me, but axb5 seems much stronger for white).

I'm not seeing the benefit of Qd3 at the moment.
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Mr. Flay
Metatron
User avatar
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Metatron
Metatron
Posts: 24969
Joined: March 12, 2004
Location: Gormenghast
Contact:

Post Post #2235 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:00 am

Post by Mr. Flay »

SaintKerrigan wrote:Board position in first post isn't updated.
Refresh your browser; I'm overwriting the old image each time.

I hope to have the actual chess engine working again tonight, but no promises.
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2236 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:03 am

Post by SaintKerrigan »

Mr. Flay wrote:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Board position in first post isn't updated.
Refresh your browser; I'm overwriting the old image each time.

I hope to have the actual chess engine working again tonight, but no promises.
Ok, thanks.

And W00T for the chess engine! :D
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Abstract Actuary
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Goon
Goon
Posts: 442
Joined: October 11, 2007
Location: Chicago

Post Post #2237 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:03 am

Post by Abstract Actuary »

SaintKerrigan wrote:
Board position in first post isn't updated.


I'm really liking axb5 right about now. I'll hold off on a vote while I stew on that move (and others; a5 is the other move that interests me, but axb5 seems much stronger for white).

I'm not seeing the benefit of Qd3 at the moment.
Qd3 has a benefit that we need black to miss, otherwise it just stalls a bit. No harm done. We still have both of your options after this move. Speaking of those options, what is your plan after that? After either one of those moves I see no clear plan for white.
User avatar
Thok
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
User avatar
User avatar
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Posts: 7013
Joined: March 28, 2005

Post Post #2238 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:22 am

Post by Thok »

After axb5 axb5, then Qa7 looks decently strong; our queen can attack weak points in blacks defense faster than black can rectify them.

a5 is pointless.
I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2239 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:26 am

Post by SaintKerrigan »

I'm not sure about what your "benefit" is, but a huge problem with Qd3 is that there's nothing stopping Black from moving the rook back to b6, and we're back at Square 1. And doing Qd3 screws up axb5, at least.

axb5 guarantees that we at least win a pawn, and White's position afterward is superior to Black's. a5 I don't like as much after review.

@ Thok: There's actually a move I like better than Qa7: Qc5. It's instant ownage for White.

Move: axb5

Move Count

(1) axb5: SaintKerrigan
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Mr. Flay
Metatron
User avatar
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Metatron
Metatron
Posts: 24969
Joined: March 12, 2004
Location: Gormenghast
Contact:

Post Post #2240 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:08 pm

Post by Mr. Flay »

The new chess engine is working, but... it doesn't give the same results as the PGN notation in the first post. :? That's really confusing. :mad:
Can someone with more time than me double-check the notation in the first post and look for any transcription errors? It appears to be hanging up about turn 32...
Retired as of October 2014.
User avatar
Thok
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
User avatar
User avatar
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Posts: 7013
Joined: March 28, 2005

Post Post #2241 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:49 pm

Post by Thok »

Try changing white's move 33 from e1e2 to R1e2 and see if that works.
I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Mr. Flay
Metatron
User avatar
User avatar
Mr. Flay
Metatron
Metatron
Posts: 24969
Joined: March 12, 2004
Location: Gormenghast
Contact:

Post Post #2242 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:03 pm

Post by Mr. Flay »

That was it! First post now has the actual game board in it... bye!
Retired as of October 2014.
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2243 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:22 pm

Post by SaintKerrigan »

Thanks, Mr. Flay! Board looks awesome.

One thing, though: would it be possible to use regular algebraic notation instead of this hybrid symbol-algebraic style? Don't break your back over it, just if you have a little time on your hands. Thanks again!
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2244 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:23 pm

Post by SaintKerrigan »

Whoa, I just realized that clicking on the notation shows the corresponding move. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!

<3's Mr. Flay even more.
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
Thok
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
User avatar
User avatar
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Posts: 7013
Joined: March 28, 2005

Post Post #2245 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:51 pm

Post by Thok »

SaintKerrigan wrote:Whoa, I just realized that clicking on the notation shows the corresponding move. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!
Once you've clicked on a move, left and right arrows allow you to go through the game one move at a time; up and down go to the beginning and end of the game.
I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
User avatar
User avatar
SaintKerrigan
Brings Out The Flavour
Brings Out The Flavour
Posts: 3808
Joined: September 6, 2009
Location: Drowning in printing ink.

Post Post #2246 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:53 pm

Post by SaintKerrigan »

Thok wrote:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Whoa, I just realized that clicking on the notation shows the corresponding move. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!
Once you've clicked on a move, left and right arrows allow you to go through the game one move at a time; up and down go to the beginning and end of the game.
Thanks for telling me, but I already figured out that part. :)
ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Abstract Actuary
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
Abstract Actuary
Goon
Goon
Posts: 442
Joined: October 11, 2007
Location: Chicago

Post Post #2247 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:12 am

Post by Abstract Actuary »

If we're taking requests, can we get the letters and numbers put back around the outside of the board?

Ok, I do see some value to axb5 axb5, Qc5, but from what I can tell it doesn't actually win a pawn, but it does give us connected passed pawns. But it is at the expense of a passed pawn for black. I think that would put the game into a bit of a rat race between the passed pawns and their king is positioned a lot better than ours.

I wouldn't call "being back at square 1" a "huge problem". A bit of an overstatement. Also, Qd3 doesn't screw up axb5. In fact it threatens it more severely. But now that you've let the cat out of the bag it is pointless. Yes, black can just play Rb6 again, in which case we can just play Qd4 again. And if black doesn't play Rb6 we win a pawn. That kind of opportunity is a no risk, huge reward situation for us (albeit with small chance of that reward). Not sure why that is so hard to figure out.
User avatar
Thok
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
User avatar
User avatar
Thok
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Disgrace to SKs everywhere
Posts: 7013
Joined: March 28, 2005

Post Post #2248 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:36 am

Post by Thok »

Abstract Actuary wrote:If we're taking requests, can we get the letters and numbers put back around the outside of the board?

Ok, I do see some value to axb5 axb5, Qc5, but from what I can tell it doesn't actually win a pawn, but it does give us connected passed pawns. But it is at the expense of a passed pawn for black. I think that would put the game into a bit of a rat race between the passed pawns and their king is positioned a lot better than ours.
axb5 axb5 Qc5 Rg6 Qxb5 Rxg4 Qb6+ K-moves Qxh6 and that black passed pawn isn't an issue. (If not Rxg4, then we have time to protect everything.)
I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.
User avatar
veerus
veerus
Mafia Scum
User avatar
User avatar
veerus
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 1050
Joined: May 16, 2008

Post Post #2249 (ISO) » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:42 am

Post by veerus »

Thok wrote:axb5 axb5 Qc5 Rg6 Qxb5 Rxg4 Qb6+ K-moves Qxh6 and that black passed pawn isn't an issue. (If not Rxg4, then we have time to protect everything.)
This is precisely the position that we worked so hard to get to for the past 10 or so moves. No reason to delay it or screw it up.

move: axb5


Move count:
(2) axb5: SaintKerrigan, veerus
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
-Fight Club
Locked