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Oh hey guys. How's it going?
Approximately 27 hours left to replace Commandodude, it seems. sycorax, do you think setting yourself above suspicion is beneficial for you?
Sakura, what exactly do you want to know of me?

Your stances on everyone up to this point for example

In post 226, TheIrishPope wrote:Oh hey guys. How's it going?
Approximately 27 hours left to replace Commandodude, it seems. sycorax, do you think setting yourself above suspicion is beneficial for you?
Sakura, what exactly do you want to know of me?

I'm not above suspicion, but figuring out my alignment is up to the rest of the players. I play the game to the best of my abilities, otherwise. What do you want?

Irish, your insistence on not voting until you see what everyone else thinks/does is making you look extremely scummy. I've already pointed out why I think that. This is a team game. Town depends on seeing their team mates back up their thoughts/suspicions/convictions. You fail your team mates by not putting your money where your mouth is.

If you are town, we need to see that you are town.

Gladly. Let me see:

Shawn: As I have expressed before, he has certainly acted scummy, but apparently my attitude is so similar to his that I merit the same number of votes. I have my eye on Shawn whom, as you have pointed out, is very oblivious to other people and only waits for his turn to speak instead of listening.

Thor: Him being an IC and all, he certainly does have more experience. It does not mean he is free of guilt, though. His vote on Shawn seemed very pro-Town, so I have nothing on him so far.

Sakura: My dear Sakura. After reading dozens and dozens of posts, I do not know what you are. You are certainly leaning towards Town, but maybe you are defending yourself very well. I cannot state anything bad of you at the moment.

Nekoko: Appears and attempts to take control of the thread. Interesting. She raised points I had already explained and seems a bit too paranoid. Having posted very little and then fading away, I have her as a Goon for the moment, a Mafia who is definitely affordable. This is not an OMGUS view, I am being completely impartial. Her behavior seems... odd.

Sycorax: Why, this is a peculiar player. Sycorax just recently changed his vote to implicate me into all of this. I do not understand why he chooses me over Shawn, however. He is probably just a good guy trying to get people nervous, even though as I said earlier, he sets himself as a cabal, wanting to represent the thread as a whole.

Commandodude: ?

MontyWhittaker: Posted exactly ONCE and hasn't been back. Incited discussion by drawing out Thor, but this one post gives me nothing. Monty is a Mafia Lurker, probably.

Marangal: Looks Town at the moment. Can't really say.

Ready for your wall of questions, my dear.

Sycorax, will my voting somehow prove I am town? Maybe us two putting Shawn at L-1 might help.

TheIrishPope wrote:but apparently my attitude is so similar to his that I merit the same number of votes.

Why does the number of votes merit that you 2 are viewed in the same way?, if anything it shows the ammount of people suspicious of you.

TheIrishPope wrote:His vote on Shawn seemed very pro-Town

Why did it look very pro-town?

TheIrishPope wrote:Sakura: My dear Sakura. After reading dozens and dozens of posts, I do not know what you are. You are certainly leaning towards Town, but maybe you are defending yourself very well. I cannot state anything bad of you at the moment.

Fair enough

TheIrishPope wrote:Her behavior seems... odd.

What parts of Neko's behavior seem odd to you?

TheIrishPope wrote:he sets himself as a cabal, wanting to represent the thread as a whole.

How so?

TheIrishPope wrote:Monty is a Mafia Lurker, probably.

Then why arent you voting him? maybe the pressure will make him pop out?

TheIrishPope wrote:Maybe us two putting Shawn at L-1 might help.

This could easily set up for a quickhammer, which im not very fond of, considering even newbies can make such mistakes and with the ammount of people wanting a quicklynch today.

In post 229, TheIrishPope wrote:Gladly. Let me see:

Shawn: As I have expressed before, he has certainly acted scummy, but apparently my attitude is so similar to his that I merit the same number of votes. I have my eye on Shawn whom, as you have pointed out, is very oblivious to other people and only waits for his turn to speak instead of listening.

Thor: Him being an IC and all, he certainly does have more experience. It does not mean he is free of guilt, though. His vote on Shawn seemed very pro-Town, so I have nothing on him so far.

Sakura: My dear Sakura. After reading dozens and dozens of posts, I do not know what you are. You are certainly leaning towards Town, but maybe you are defending yourself very well. I cannot state anything bad of you at the moment.

Nekoko: Appears and attempts to take control of the thread. Interesting. She raised points I had already explained and seems a bit too paranoid. Having posted very little and then fading away, I have her as a Goon for the moment, a Mafia who is definitely affordable. This is not an OMGUS view, I am being completely impartial. Her behavior seems... odd.

Sycorax: Why, this is a peculiar player. Sycorax just recently changed his vote to implicate me into all of this. I do not understand why he chooses me over Shawn, however. He is probably just a good guy trying to get people nervous, even though as I said earlier, he sets himself as a cabal, wanting to represent the thread as a whole.

Commandodude: ?

MontyWhittaker: Posted exactly ONCE and hasn't been back. Incited discussion by drawing out Thor, but this one post gives me nothing. Monty is a Mafia Lurker, probably.

Marangal: Looks Town at the moment. Can't really say.

Ready for your wall of questions, my dear.

Sycorax, will my voting somehow prove I am town? Maybe us two putting Shawn at L-1 might help.

Re Nekoko: What do you mean by 'a mafia who is definitely affordable'? Do you mean expendable? What gives you that idea?

Re me: irish, you're not reading the posts. It isn't important and you may continue to refer to me as masculine if you like, but my gender was explicitly named itt. I set myself 'as a cabal, wanting to represent the thread as a whole'? What does that even mean? My job is to find and lynch scum. Anything I post is intended to advance that goal.

And no, you voting will not prove you are town. It would indicate you, if town, are playing as part of a team, imv.

Here we go.
I am assuming that, if people want to see us lynched, we are acting scummy. If someone else had more votes, he could be seen as acting even scummier, or acting the scummiest. Since we have the same number of votes, it would seem logical that we are acting the same way, meriting people's votes.

Thor's vote on Shawn followed suit with what was said earlier. Shawn looked scummy, ergo, people should lynch him. However, he might be mafia pretending to be a Townie to blend in. This is where WIFOM ensues.

Neko seemed odd because of the reasons I stated. Posting and disappearing, and trying to control people's decisions.

Sycorax was lenient at first. Playing it cool, keeping it real, all that stuff. Suddenly, a vote appears with my name on it. A new side of sycorax emerges. This new facet is the de facto leader, some might say. In any case, this shift in sycorax's previous relaxing attitude has made me think.

It would be worthless at this time to vote for Monty, as no one will follow along with me. I have stronger suspicions on other people, and my original idea appears once again: I want everyone to post.

I do believe newbies make mistakes, however, we cannot say that a newbie only makes mistakes, or is characterized by his or her mistakes. If one bat eats fruit, do all bats eat fruit? A quickhammer is a possibility I am looking towards to, ideally after the appearance/replacement of Commandodude.

I do believe another wall of questions will appear, so I am cheerfully waiting, Sakura.

Sycorax:

That was the word I'm looking for. My apologies for confusing your gender.

Nekoko could be setting herself up to look scummy and get lynched. The other Mafia would hop on the BW, blending in and exterminating Town one by one. Just an idea of mine.

Everyone's job is to find and lynch scum. You asserting this does not relief you of suspicion. Above is an explanation of my view of you again, so maybe check that. If not: it is not what you seek, it's about how you seek it. You are trying to revolt this whole thing onto itself. That's just mean. When new information surfaces, I will vote. I just don't want to risk lynching a power role.

My suspicions have risen again: Why do you defend Neko?

In post 232, TheIrishPope wrote:Suddenly, a vote appears with my name on it. A new side of sycorax emerges. This new facet is the de facto leader, some might say. In any case, this shift in sycorax's previous relaxing attitude has made me think.

And this is why voting people is important for discussion generation and scumhunting.

In post 232, TheIrishPope wrote:Nekoko could be setting herself up to look scummy and get lynched. The other Mafia would hop on the BW, blending in and exterminating Town one by one. Just an idea of mine.

I truly believe such an idea wouldn't work. Suiciding to make your partner look more town by jumping on the BW? If a scum is silly enough to pull this off, they are esentially reducing their chances to win, specially since we dont know what PRs are here, but if we have a cop and the cop scans them, it's over, while having a partner would extend the scum lifespan. Tho i wouldn't like to rely on any PR, since we don't know which PRs are around to begin with.

Additionally assuming somehow they hit a PR during the night, no one can ever be trusted 100%, and it's pretty easy to scumslip in the following day, hence earning a towny win instead of scum.

Which is why i'm inclined to believe a suicidal attempt on D1 isn't worth it, specially for the scum who are outnumbered to begin with.

Still V/LA, but I'm amused with what I have read, and I have some questions

Why is Irish being attacked for not voting, yet no one has yet to attack me for doing the exact same thing. I have stated that I see absolutely no problems with holding ones vote in the slightest.

Shawn, Thor is Null, though why did you ask for my read on him specifically?

In post 235, Ms Marangal wrote:Still V/LA, but I'm amused with what I have read, and I have some questions

Why is Irish being attacked for not voting, yet no one has yet to attack me for doing the exact same thing. I have stated that I see absolutely no problems with holding ones vote in the slightest.

Shawn, Thor is Null, though why did you ask for my read on him specifically?

What is V/LA?

Speaking for myself, you haven't posted enough to be suspicious for not voting. Irish keeps posting and asking questions, some of which are difficult to interpret, and when asked for clarification he either doesn't answer or answers in an even less understandable manner, or at least that's how I'm experiencing his contributions. If he at least put a vote down it would be possible to grasp where he might be coming from.

Voting is extremely crucial! I'm just too paranoid to lynch a PR.
What about maybe acting scummish to draw out a newbie who wants to impersonate them?
I agree. I don't know what I was thinking. My apologies. Everyone is sleeping, so it's just me and you.
How you doin'?

PEdit: Marangal, have a nice vacation! In the other case, sucks to have limited access
People are just blindly following a cabal. They go without proof or logic. They ask me questions. I answer back reasonably. And yet, I am the scum. Someone says they want to lynch me, then everyone loses their minds.

Double PEdit: Vacation/Limited Access.

I am not on vacation, I just have limited access

Syn, what is the scum motivation behind not placing a vote? (someone had asked that earlier IIRC, I think it was Shawn?) that person

Oh, thanks, Irish! Couldn't for the life of me guess the abbreviation.

In post 238, Ms Marangal wrote:I am not on vacation, I just have limited access

Syn, what is the scum motivation behind not placing a vote? (someone had asked that earlier IIRC, I think it was Shawn?) that person

might[/might] be town, based on other stuff that he had posted

Keeps town uncertain. Irish has fosed several players, so has everyone. If he is scum, then he will be trying to act like ordinary town, so fosing, asking questions, etc.. Once he places a vote, he has stated a position, and if he changes it, there's a clear record of what his more important reads are. If he's scum, that record of voting could catch him up later in the game.

Tbf, I'm used to scrutinising vote records for patterns and clues.

My vote's not on Irish just for the no vote though.

Sorry, I feel so overwhelmed right now. I haven't posted because I either haven't had anything to add or it's already been posted by someone. For what it's worth, with so many votes in this game already, I feel like The Irish Pope has "suspicions" that he is leading people to vote toward, yet feels no conviction to vote for them himself. That is enough to warrant my vote:

VOTE: TheIrishPope

In post 240, sycorax wrote: My vote's not on Irish just for the no vote though.

Is this supposed to mean you'll unvote me? Sorry, I'm a slow learner.

If I vote, am I inching more to town? Or do I just open myself to even more vulnerability?
You're setting your own rules, sycorax. That's what I meant when I spoke of you, the newly created cabal. Who is also a she

PEdit: So not voting is a scumtell. Nice.
Good you appeared, Monty. We were worried for you. I never gave out my reads until someone asked me to. I am not making anyone vote for anyone. I will vote when

Nevermind, I only read the first page

Irish, you could, if you would, answer the other questions I asked you in this post:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4897099

Why, I think I did. Could you point out what is missing?
Welcome, Commandodude!

Should maybe properly unvote me then, late commandodude.

VOTE: Sakura Hana
UNVOTE: sycorax

In post 241, MontyWhittaker wrote:Sorry, I feel so overwhelmed right now. I haven't posted because I either haven't had anything to add or it's already been posted by someone. For what it's worth, with so many votes in this game already, I feel like The Irish Pope has "suspicions" that he is leading people to vote toward, yet feels no conviction to vote for them himself. That is enough to warrant my vote:

VOTE: TheIrishPope

So you appear out of nowhere and suddenly join a BW.