#72 Secret Message Mafia - Game Over

[Leonidas]

Yeah ! I'm here, Werebear.

unvote: Fishbulb
vote: Werebear

[Werebear]

*rolls eyes* I can't claim anything other than townie, because I'm not anything other than townie. Want to bet on it, Leonidas?

[Werebear]

oh, yeah, if you want me to post that I use metamucil on a REGULAR basis, I will. It would be a smooth move. *laugh* (wonders if Sugar used cookie-cutter townie emails)

[No Idea]

I'm here, too. I also think that Werebear is the most suspicious person, but I don't want to put the fourth vote on him quite yet. I will if there won't be more discussion, though.

About Talitha's accusations against me, I still think they're pretty baseless. If I would've been scum I'd

never

tell you I'm not a cop anymore, I'm not that stupid. Instead of telling you the truth, I could've:

a) Said that I found someone guilty, which would almost surely get that person lynched. The day after that someone would get a secret message saying that that person was innocent, and people would get suspicious of me, so it's debatable whether or not it's better than telling you the truth.

b) Said that I found someone innocent. That is surely better than what I did. Not only would it draw suspicion away from me, it would also make the doctor waste his protection on me, give me the ability to defend fellow scum by saying that he was the person I investigated, and frame someone the following day by saying I got him guilty (or saying I got innocent again, whatever fits my cause better). If anyone has any good reason why would I, in case I'm scum, rather tell you the truth than do what I did I'll be very happy to hear it.

About the secret message telling me I'm not a cop anymore, I can't quote it but I can tell you that it was paraphrased in a way that makes me 99% sure that I lost my powers because I roleclaimed. Maybe the two messages thing is my new ability, I don't know.

[Talitha]

Unfortunately I'm too sick to be able to think for myself right now but I'm not gonna join the Werebear lynch mob right now.

No Idea makes some valid points but again I find myself wondering about this two message business. It seemed to me that Fishbulb grabbed the 2 message excuse to explain the message he got (supposedly from Sugar) on the day that I followed him.

I'll say this - If No Idea is scum, then so is Fishbulb. If No Idea is not scum, Fishbulb could still be scum. So with that in mind...

unvote: No Idea
vote: Fishbulb

(sorry if this didn't make much sense, did I mention I'm sick?)

[No Idea]

I'm not sure what to think about Fishbulb. If he really does have this ability it's fine, but he might very well be faking it. I'd like him to prove that he really has this ability.

And I don't understand how does telling you about an ability I have makes me suspicious. Do you really think that scum is more likely to be able to send two messages? '

[Totem]

(sorry if this didn't make much sense, did I mention I'm sick?)

I understand you perfectly was sick before.

At least I had time to reread.
I don't get what werebear is trying to hint.
Most scumlike seams werebear and fishbulb. although it's almost not enough for a vote. no clear candidate but we have to lynch someone

This two message busines. looks random, scum and town can have it I think. proves nothing.

We still know very little.
1.Sugar DOES sends messages counted as 'secret'
the messages give you lynch results or ability to "shadow" somebody (or additional message a day)

2. Mojo WAS mafia and CaptainBlicero was backup COP
(ML you did receive message "VrakX was town" was it signed "- Sugar"? wasn't it by chance 'townie' not 'town'? that would be missing lynch result)

[Medicated Lain]

Alright, WARNING! long post... (just read over the game so far)

I'll start out with what I should've done long ago.

vote: Talitha

. I've believed her scum for a while now, just didn't feel like putting in the effort to see why... let's review, shall we?

I'd like to hear from my votee -- Demeech, hellooo? You're being very quiet.

I agree, doesn't prove anything. However, I find Leo's arguments just convincing enough to be worth a vote.

unvote: Demeech
vote: Dragon Pheonix

Seems a little too quick to me, maybe lynch happy? Especially since she completely forgot about Demeech until a week later, a day after CB voted him, you'd think her suspicions would atleast hang around while voting DP?
...I have worked out one problem with this though... I do believe that DP was scum, so I thought about this for a minute, why would Talitha allow DP to die like that? Especially since I don't see any good reasoning behind Leonidas's plan, it could've easily been argued... then I thought... we've been acting as if there's only one killing group this game, when in fact... there's no proof! I thought about it, and it makes sense, suppose our doctor protected and saved not just night two, but night one as well, it's nearly twice as likely to hit a save on night one if there were two killing groups, vs the one remaining next night... basically, I'm suggesting DP might've been a serial killer.

To add some credibility to No Idea.. I received a message from him (her?) yesterday claiming to be a cop. This was before there was any pressure on him, and before DP claimed cop. I chose to believe No Idea over DP.

It's so darn risky because we don't find out whether people are scum when they die....

The fact remains, MoJo had one vote on him, and not even doing one more, it seems like a partnership, and I believe definately believe MoJo was guilty, because Totem came out with having the same ability I had. With that said, I'll go into this next point...

I'll ask this again because it's making me suspicious still: Has anyone, apart from No Idea and Fishbulb, been offered an extra message on a particular day or night??

NOTE: Every single extra ability in this game so far, has only been claimed by two people. Totem and I recieved character alignments. Fishbulb and No Idea recieved the ability to send extra messages. BananaBob and I recieved the ability to shadow... which brings me to my next point:

I'll say this - If No Idea is scum, then so is Fishbulb. If No Idea is not scum, Fishbulb could still be scum. So with that in mind...

Just what is so scummy about Fishbulb? I find nothing at all suspicious about him, and honestly now, if ANYONE is mafia with No Idea, It's obviously Totem, since he's the one that got the message from Sugar confirming MoJo's alignment. But I believe both No Idea and Totem are innocent.

Now I'll go to my last point on Talitha, which makes me FAR more suspicious of Talitha than anything else here.

I have just received another message from mod.
Maybe there is the same limitation as ours messages 1/night 1/day

I am begining to wonder : "Why me?" Somebody who can comunicate through mod choosen to trust me, or it is purely random.
You will have to figure it out, I am running to the university.Be back ASAP

The news is not good. CB was doc. But only backup so that means primary doc i still allive.

I also have information that makes me greatly doubt that CB was the back-up doc. So now I am very, very worried about the reliability of these mod messages.

Totem: Would it be rude of me to ask you to double check the message that you got, and confirm that it was from Sugar and that it did say that CaptainBlicero was the backup doc. I'm having a hard time getting my head around it.

Received correction message from Sugar.

backup cop not backup doc. Hope this fits better.

I just googled for Captain Blicero and found references to Weissman. So yeh, the message/s was probably from CB himself! And maybe the mafia figured it out and that's why they(?) killed him

Totem - thanks for checking that.. that makes a lot more more sense!

Now, either Talitha knew before hand that Weissman was related to CB, or some other way she knew... but there is no doubt, she knew CB was a backup cop, that's why she was so weary of Totem saying he was a back-up doc at first. This made CB a good kill choice for the previous night however it was she found out. I say that because she probably assumed No Idea would have doc protection.

Now for my next suspicion...

fos: Leonidas

... This is for crap logic on day one.. seriously, all that stuff about how someone should automatically believe someone day one just because they got a message from them claiming to be a townie, I mean, come on? Why wouldn't a mafia try that?

Also because Talitha followed right after him on it. Then his uncertainty on No Idea... again keeping away from voting MoJo... then, the way he voted werebear... I don't really understand the werebear thing either, nothing seems out of place about him. What I need to know though, is what No Idea meant by Leonidas being probably innocent? Was it just an opinion? or what? ...the accusations on Leonidas are nowhere near as strong as the ones on Talitha, but it really is what stands out most next to her.

With all this said, onto other thoughts. Why are some of you calling Fishbulb suspicious for having another random ability? Look at the game set up here, it appears the mafia are the only ones with the ability to kill, and it's also pretty certain that the mafia no who eachother are... concidering everyone on the pro-town side isn't certain who allies are... even after death, I think the mafia are by far in the advantage, and I couldn't imagine themselves having more powers than they do. So if there are anymore ideas... share!

Oh and doc... maybe I could use some help? If I'm right they might try to target me, if I'm wrong, whoever else may be evil might try to target me.... or actually they may both think I'll be protected and not target me... so actually just do whatever you like, there's no way to tell from that, heh.

[Talitha]

Just to stop this wild goose chase before it gathers any momentum, the reason that I knew that CaptainBlicero could not be the back-up doc is because

I know who the back up doc is

. Sorry that I didn't answer when you asked me how I knew ML, but I was trying not to completely blow the back up doc's cover.

If you need further evidence as to my innocence, ask No Idea. He investigated me on Night 1.

[Talitha]

And I said that it made a lot more sense when Totem announced that CB was the back-up cop, because the day after DP was lynched CB said something like that he was pretty sure that DP was scum and No Idea was the real cop. Why? Well because he was the back-up cop, but had not been called upon after DP's death.

[Banana Bob]

I don't think Leonidas could be scum coz he was the one who led the bandwagon against DP. Without any doubt on DP in the first place theres no reason why a scum would want to kill another scum when he was never in danger in the first place.

[Medicated Lain]

unvote: Talitha

argh...I guess the only way it's possible Talitha is scum is if No Idea is... but Leonidas still could be. actually the fact that we don't know DP's alginment really hurts more tahnanything, atleast to anything I see. Because DP could've actually been a cop, and the three of them could be scum... no that doesn't make sense... There's still the idea that DP was a serial killer though, I dunno, that was about everything I could gather up.. so if anyone sees anything else... I still don't understand either the fishbulb or werebear thing...

[Talitha]

I agree it's hard to know anything for sure in this game, because we are relying on other players for all our information and we don't know who to trust.

I think that we're in quite a good position as town because I believe that we've lynched 2 scum already. However we're without a cop now and we're floundering around in the dark.

[Banana Bob]

Didn't we find out that DP was scum (i'm pretty sure we have, but i'm too lazy to look back through the pages to find out)

[Talitha]

No we don't know for sure that DP was scum as no-one has come forward and said that they received the information about his role from Sugar.

However I am pretty comfortable about assuming that he was scum as all the evidence seems to point to that.

Can anyone who has a simple townie role confirm Werebear? (Hint: Read his last post and your role PM carefully)

[Medicated Lain]

I certainly can't, but something here still seems very weird... argh, I've no where else to vote..

vote:werebear

.. that makes four.

[Fishbulb]

Sorry, everyone. I had no idea how chaotic this weekend was going to turn out. I kept trying to make time to hop on, but I rarely had enough time to do more than check a thread or two before I had to take off again. I apologize if my unexpected absence caused any sort of delay in the game, and I will try to get back in as soon as possible. Unfortunately, I do not have the time right now to do more than mass post this message, so please have patience.

[Werebear]

Um... did I claim townie? Is now the time I bet anyone $100 that I am a townie and nothing more?

[Banana Bob]

Tahlitha: i can't pick out any connections.
Actually, i don't really get what that post even meant

[Totem]

Can we have a votecount?

... and I do refuse to be part of the lynch on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day

[No Idea]

My thoughts so far:

Vraax X - Townie

DP - I'm 90% sure he was scum

Mojo - Scum

CB - Backup cop

Talitha - Innocent (she was indeed my day 1 investigation)

Leonidas - 90% innocent. Besides almost quoting our PM's day 1, I also sent him a message night two telling him that I'm a cop, and I survived the night. OTOH nobody got killed that night so it's possible that he did target me and I got doc protection. I think if anyone protected me night two he should send me (or Talitha, if he doesn't trust me) a secret message.

Totem - I'm almost sure he's innocent. He gets messages with people's alignments, which is surely a pro town ability.

ML - See Totem. The funny thing would be if they're scum together, and the alignment thing doesn't exist. They guessed Vraak X's role, since none of us can prove it wrong; they told us the truth about Mojo, there fellow mafia; and they solved the Weissman riddle, therefore deciding to kill CB and tell us that they got his role. However, that is very very unlikely.

BB - I know that he got the "shadow" ability on night two, because he knew the excect number of messages I got. I'm almost sure that it's also a pro town ability, because ML also got it and she's almost surely innocent.

Fishbulb - I don't what to think about him. We have no information on him whatsoever, except that he replaced a lurker and that he claims that he could send two messages. Until he'll prove it (I got that ability twice) I'll consider him a suspect.

Werebear - I think he's mafia. He claims to be a townie but he never got any special abilities (all the other townie claimers did), and he was very inactive the day Mojo was lynched. i think we had enough discussion already, so I'll go ahead and

Vote: Werebear

, sending us into twilight.

[Werebear]

All right, way to go town! You just lynched a regular townsperson. Oh well, go town anyways.

[Fishbulb]

Sorry folks. As for my ability to send an extra message yesterday, I did not receive that again today. So, alas, I can not prove it. Of course, why would I reveal I had something like that if I didn't? No one was pressuring me. I didn't send two messages and then try to cover it up. I just thought it was interesting to note.

Anyway, it's a little late now, but the whole Werebear thing started due to his lack of contributing, and... well... here, you read it:

I think we should go with what we know, Mojo was scum. Werebear did not vote for him (in fact, did not even get involved except to ask Mojo who he blocked night one), and has been pretty quiet the whole day.

As for the "townie" stuff, that makes me even more suspicious of Werebear. I'm not sure it would be wise to reveal yet, but I'm sure we will have this conversation again later.

[Werebear]

As for the "townie" stuff, that makes me even more suspicious of Werebear.

*Laughs and points at the silly man* It's twilight, silly. what would it benefit me to lie about being town now?

[Banana Bob]

you could somehow make us feel upset that we'd taken the wrong person.

We can't really prove wearbear's identity unless we get the message from sugar.