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In post 222, Infinity 324 wrote:^^ Yes, that's my point, that's why I have townread on mnemonic. The early claim and general play can be explained by noobishness.

Nope.

You can argue that he's not necessarily scum from this (well, I disagree, I think you're underweighting the daytalk, and yes, I will hammer that point for a long time), but not scumtelling isn't a towntell. It's a nulltell. The jump from "I can't see why he'd be scum" to "he's town" is a really bad jump, and really reinforces the scumbuddies possibility.

Okay, so Infinity vaguely states why I may be scum (as I said, actually quite reasonably), but then goes votes Toomai.

Infinity has yet to implicate Toomai as scum. Iso him. He accused me of weirdness towards Toomai, and said my iso "gives him scumvibes", but there's nothing about Toomai in it.

So why vote Toomai?

Toomai suddenly makes sense as third scum; Infinity could be taking the immediate bus for towncred with the view to equalise with a mislynch on me the next day.

Okay, so trying to call scumteams day one is invariably counter-productive, but in a way, that's not the point here. The point is that there's a lot of inconsistency and weirdness on the Infinity end, and that I'm really not convinced there's town in that slot.

EDIT: Yes, Infinity says we could be buddies. My point is that he never accuses Toomai of individual scumminess, only myself; logically, I should be the on being voted here.

My townread on mnemonic is due to not finding anything inexplicably scummy about him

PEdit: I do have an indepedent scumread on toomai that I was waiting to explain (that was part of the "other reason")

I can explain it now if you want

Sorry I thought that was clear for some reason

In post 228, Infinity 324 wrote:My townread on mnemonic is due to not finding anything inexplicably scummy about him

PEdit: I do have an indepedent scumread on toomai that I was waiting to explain (that was part of the "other reason")

I can explain it now if you want

Please do.

Case on toomai

I like how 2birds calls out toomai for posting pre-crash votes that weren't that useful. What I don't like about it is that he stops there. Toomai goes on later to vote MonkeyMan with shaky reasoning, and his 189 is really opportunistic and really waffly. And I thought I saw fakeposting somewhere? Rereading his iso makes me think he's town, actually.

And I didn't read 196 carefully enough. 2birds admtted that he overstated his early reads and thought toomai's wagon jump wasn't scum, so I don't think he's toomai's scumbuddy anymore

In conclusion, I can't read.

But I still think 2birds is scum.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: 2birds1stone

So, Infinity's called out on voting the wrong person, and responds by backpedalling and revoting?

Yes, definitely town.

In post 228, Infinity 324 wrote:My townread on mnemonic is due to not finding anything inexplicably scummy about him

By this logic, no-one's ever null.

You were perfectly willing to call people null in Mini 1446.

More inconsistency.

228's "not scummy = town" and 231's "here's the case on Toomai, he's probably actually town" together are pretty bad.

Reread the thread, and can still definitely see a mnem/pit team. Contrary to my last post, I'm okay with either lynch.

In post 206, Infinity 324 wrote:Hi guys, I agree that pitoli was scummy, but my role PM said I'm town, so :/

Actually I wouldn't be that opposed to my lynch because it would give lots of info

Big scumpoints here.

In post 210, Infinity 324 wrote:I'll wait for others to weigh in on the toomai/2birds thing before explaining.

This also flags me. Basically waiting for someone to make a case for him, and when Toomai obliges, switches gears from a Toomai vote to a 2birds vote accordingly.

Also as mentioned above, he seems to be casting a wide net, without really getting into many details.

VOTE: Infinity

I dont remember who my vote is on, but Infinity is making it seem like I'm scum, and since I know that I'm not, I am thinking that I shall vote him. He is seeming a ton more scummy than pit was.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Infinity

That was a pretty awful vote. If you're not scum trying too hard to get towncred then you're almost a town liability, what with claiming Doctor and proceeding to lurk and derphammer.

Am I hammered yet?

In post 233, 2birds1stone wrote:

In post 228, Infinity 324 wrote:My townread on mnemonic is due to not finding anything inexplicably scummy about him

By this logic, no-one's ever null.

That's not what I'm saying. Null means you have some scummy things about you, but not enough to make you scum.

In post 235, Zhero wrote:Reread the thread, and can still definitely see a mnem/pit team. Contrary to my last post, I'm okay with either lynch.

In post 206, Infinity 324 wrote:Hi guys, I agree that pitoli was scummy, but my role PM said I'm town, so :/

Actually I wouldn't be that opposed to my lynch because it would give lots of info

Big scumpoints here.

????

In post 210, Infinity 324 wrote:I'll wait for others to weigh in on the toomai/2birds thing before explaining.

This also flags me. Basically waiting for someone to make a case for him, and when Toomai obliges, switches gears from a Toomai vote to a 2birds vote accordingly.

Also as mentioned above, he seems to be casting a wide net, without really getting into many details.

VOTE: Infinity

It's called giving people townpoints for guessing my reasoning.

In post 234, Toomai wrote:228's "not scummy = town" and 231's "here's the case on Toomai, he's probably actually town" together are pretty bad.

Let me explain this better. At first I thught you were scum due to the two things I mentioned in addition to your posting being fake, which is why I was surprised 2birds didn't call you out on those things. When I was trying to find examples a faked posting, your posts seemed more towny to me. In addition, I saw the 2birds was overstating his early scumread on you so he may not have been able to notice future scummy things about you.

If mnemonic just hammered, that is super derp but he's still town.

In post 238, Infinity 324 wrote:Am I hammered yet?

In post 233, 2birds1stone wrote:

In post 228, Infinity 324 wrote:My townread on mnemonic is due to not finding anything inexplicably scummy about him

By this logic, no-one's ever null.

That's not what I'm saying. Null means you have some scummy things about you, but not enough to make you scum.

In post 235, Zhero wrote:Reread the thread, and can still definitely see a mnem/pit team. Contrary to my last post, I'm okay with either lynch.

In post 206, Infinity 324 wrote:Hi guys, I agree that pitoli was scummy, but my role PM said I'm town, so :/

Actually I wouldn't be that opposed to my lynch because it would give lots of info

Big scumpoints here.

????

In post 210, Infinity 324 wrote:I'll wait for others to weigh in on the toomai/2birds thing before explaining.

This also flags me. Basically waiting for someone to make a case for him, and when Toomai obliges, switches gears from a Toomai vote to a 2birds vote accordingly.

Also as mentioned above, he seems to be casting a wide net, without really getting into many details.

VOTE: Infinity

It's called giving people townpoints for guessing my reasoning.

In post 234, Toomai wrote:228's "not scummy = town" and 231's "here's the case on Toomai, he's probably actually town" together are pretty bad.

Let me explain this better. At first I thught you were scum due to the two things I mentioned in addition to your posting being fake, which is why I was surprised 2birds didn't call you out on those things. When I was trying to find examples a faked posting, your posts seemed more towny to me. In addition, I saw the 2birds was overstating his early scumread on you so he may not have been able to notice future scummy things about you.

and all of a sudden I'm wondering whether you're new as opposed to scum.

To break down:

That's not what I'm saying. Null means you have some scummy things about you, but not enough to make you scum.

No. Believe it or not, null means null. This can cover a variety of circumstances, including "not having posted enough to be readable", and more relevantly "not posted anything which gives away their alignment".

I suppose you could proceed under an "innocent until proven guilty" mentality, but that would presumably be a binary system in which everyone is town until they're sufficiently scummy to be lynch-worthy; there still wouldn't be a 'null' in this.

To call one person null because they've dropped tells both ways, but another person town because they've dropped no tells is horribly inconsistent. I initially assumed this was just you being scum, except you charge forward with such conviction that I can only really attribute this to you being new.

It's called giving people townpoints for guessing my reasoning.

How. The. Fuck. Does. Guessing. Reasoning. Make. Someone. Town.? Scum. Can. Think. From. Town. Perspective. Too.. Good. Scum. Will..

In addition, I saw the 2birds was overstating his early scumread on you so he may not have been able to notice future scummy things about you.

I don't think you understand the purpose of over-stating the strength of a read early-game. It's a way of kick-starting a game in that awkward RVS stage when there's nothing to go on.

Your backtracking is still bad enough to be vote-worthy, but it's clear that some of what I've been voting you for is newb-motivated rather than scum-motivated.

In post 240, 2birds1stone wrote:

That's not what I'm saying. Null means you have some scummy things about you, but not enough to make you scum.

No. Believe it or not, null means null. This can cover a variety of circumstances, including "not having posted enough to be readable", and more relevantly "not posted anything which gives away their alignment".

I suppose you could proceed under an "innocent until proven guilty" mentality, but that would presumably be a binary system in which everyone is town until they're sufficiently scummy to be lynch-worthy; there still wouldn't be a 'null' in this.

To call one person null because they've dropped tells both ways, but another person town because they've dropped no tells is horribly inconsistent. I initially assumed this was just you being scum, except you charge forward with such conviction that I can only really attribute this to you being new.

Null can mean different things for me. In this circumstance, I believe mnemonic would have done many more scummy things or things that were more scummy if he were scum; that is why I have a townread on him.

It's called giving people townpoints for guessing my reasoning.

How. The. Fuck. Does. Guessing. Reasoning. Make. Someone. Town.? Scum. Can. Think. From. Town. Perspective. Too.. Good. Scum. Will..

If they guess the exact same reasoning I was having, that makes them more likely to be town.

In addition, I saw the 2birds was overstating his early scumread on you so he may not have been able to notice future scummy things about you.

I don't think you understand the purpose of over-stating the strength of a read early-game. It's a way of kick-starting a game in that awkward RVS stage when there's nothing to go on.

I get that; I just think that if you had had as strong of a scumread on toomai as you seemed to have I think you would've called out toomai for the hypothetical fakeposting that I seemed to see at first and the other two things I mentioned.

Your backtracking is still bad enough to be vote-worthy, but it's clear that some of what I've been voting you for is newb-motivated rather than scum-motivated.

I'm kind of new? Sort of? This is my 6th game. The "backtracking" was just me randomly changing my read on toomai for some reason.

Missed this post

In post 224, Daemon385 wrote:

In post 216, Infinity 324 wrote:Daemon gives me weird vibes--enough to make him more likely scum than zhero, in my eyes.

In post 219, Infinity 324 wrote:Which on second thought is basically what you said.

By the way here's a really scummy post by daemon I apparently didn't notice before

In post 131, Daemon385 wrote:

In post 128, Zhero wrote:

In post 118, Daemon385 wrote: Honestly I feel your hiding behind someone you think (or know is town). Not saying your scum (yet), but I think it is pretty suspicious to just hang back this early on and wolf your way into sheep clothing.

I voted mnemonic before Haschel did, if that's what you mean. I guess my 'RQS is potential scumtell' post got lost to the void, but I'm not sure how I'm sheeping here.

Eh I still feel it is a fair judgement of my opinion. But don't worry yet like I said it is only suspicion for now. I haven't voted you yet.

Can you explain to us weird vibes, my likely hood of being scummier then Zhero, as well as how what I said looks scummy?

I can't really explain the vibes thing. I got stronger vibes from you. What you said was scummy because it looked too much like trying to appease zhero in addition to being really waffly. Actually, even though I read you both as scum, that doesn't look like you're scumbuddies. I would say that probably one of you is scum (yay setting up mislynches!)


Looking at votes, that seems like a hammer by zhero. He should know better than not to check how many votes someone is at before voting; lynch him next.

If that's not a hammer I'll
UNVOTE: 2birds
VOTE: Daemon

cause he's actually scummy rather than just vibes

I'm pretty sure you are at L-1 and I think mne should be today's lynch. He's obviously just jumping on the most convenient target.

VOTE: mne

Mne how is infinity making you look scummier and since when is that a reason to vote someone?

Also,

I actually agree I was sort of scummy at that point until I explained myself better and it makes sense for mnemonic to jump on my wagon at that point. I do agree that mnemonic should answer those questions though. What's your read on daemon, and what do you think of his half- suspicion on zhero?

Zhero can be town for now since I have a stronger scumread on daemon.

236 is more terribleness from mnemonic.

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Infinity 324, , has been lynched Day 1.
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