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-Bert can feign confusion quite well.
-Again, how do you know there's "only one other weak player"?
-Didn't I just get reprimanded by someone for attempting to outguess the mod? >.>

In post 224, Kagami wrote:

In post 221, mykonian wrote:and if that isn't the case, it's kagami who was quick of mind. That'd be a nice gambit. Low risk high reward etc. Confirm "just" bert (soz, but you know what I mean) while setting up a fakeclaim straight away, and getting a ton of towncred if nobody is ticked off by you thinking about the setup so much.

it's not out of the question. I know if I was well awake and my fakeclaim was something "weak human" or it was talked about by the mod or anything, it only takes some steady nerves to abuse Bert coming in like he did. I don't know kagami's nerves (yet). I don't think bert would claim the way he did if he were scum.

I would like to think I'm clever enough to do so, but if that were the case, pitoli's post would be a fairly severe violation of neutrality. It would also be very odd that there would only be a single "weak" human that is confusingly attached to the miller status, yet with weak being in a fake-claim.

Bert is town because
-he seems very genuinely confused about the weak thing
-his posts read like a bewildered townie
-I don't think scum would get a weak fake-claim with only one other weak player
-Since scum have been given fake-claims, why would they be given "Weak Human Miller" of all things?

Yup, you are right. There's where pitoli messes up. Goddamnit

so hi dear near confirmed town.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG

Well.

VOTE: F-16

Brian/Kaze/Kagami/Bert all town

Plum/Pie/Myko lean town

Muffin has a better chance than raw probability to be town I haven't really read everything he's posted though.

who's left? Bro = meh, don't like because Pie vote was ugly. pardon me no offense but Pasche is not my go to definition of a 'decent-inclined-to-be-logical' player and the 2nd post he posted shows that clearly; he could go either way but reading his posts would make your mind melt so I stopped reading him completely. F-16 is scum because he is and and tammy is in the game.

In post 11, Brian Skies wrote:

In post 10, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Hope Tammy and Pieguyn are town as well so we can crush the scumteam into a billion tiny pieces.

The guys trying to buddy already. I demand sheep.

In post 17, pieguyn wrote:on another note, Brian's probably town

TOWN BLOCK: me, Brian, F-16
I'm accepting applications, but I reserve the right to reject if you're scum so watch out

In post 19, Brian Skies wrote:Why so quick to townblock me? I could be eeeevillll.

In post 22, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 19, Brian Skies wrote:Why so quick to townblock me? I could be eeeevillll.

Why are you concerned more about Pie's townblocking of you as opposed to me? Me, the scumfuck who is buddying as soon as the game started being in a townbloc not tripping your radar?

In post 26, Brian Skies wrote:

In post 22, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Why are you concerned more about Pie's townblocking of you as opposed to me? Me, the scumfuck who is buddying as soon as the game started being in a townbloc not tripping your radar?

Are you the one townblocking me this early? No. Pieguyn is.

In post 27, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Brian, wanna lynch this guy for fake-claiming miller?

In post 28, Brian Skies wrote:How do you know he's fake-claiming?

In post 29, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I don't trust early miller claims especially from someone like Bert.

In post 46, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:What was the early miller test, Brian?

And that's why F-16 is scum.

ActionDan, explain your reads. You pretty much just quoted a whole bunch of my posts with no explanation.

nah

read your own posts and see what you didn't do in my quotes there. go on.

First answer this, have you read all of my posts or did you miss/skim through any of them?

read all. subsequent posts after this interaction I don't find town. don't find them provably scummy either though

In post 92, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:My "I don't trust early miller claims" was bait for Brian to see what he would do. In another game, Brian claimed miller and got lynched. Scum were both pushing on him. I felt that if Brian was town, he would sympathize with Bert and defend him. His 43 fits that theory although it is matched with a good amount of paranoia as shown in 64.

How did you miss this which explains the sequence of 27, 28, and 29? I am aware that Brian got mislynched as miller and knew full well that he wasn't going to fall for "wanna lynch this guy for fake-claiming." Knowing this, why are you acting as if I am being opportunistic?

I fear that one, how annoying it is, is his meta. He doesn't feel like changing it or he enjoys abusing it as scum. Ticked me off before as well.

also, dan is town. Obvious, even, I think.

Do you have an actual townread on Dan or just because he voted for me? You are going down the conf-bias tunnel of thinking you know someone's meta like you did with Thor in the other game we played together. As far as Dan's play so far is concerned, I don't find him town at all.

In post 227, ActionDan wrote:Well.
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Brian/Kaze/Kagami/Bert all town

Plum/Pie/Myko lean town

Muffin has a better chance than raw probability to be town I haven't really read everything he's posted though.

...

lots of agreement here - my list atm:

Bert- town
Plum/Muffin/Myko/Brian/Pie/Dan - prob town
BRO/F-16 - null
Kaze - maybe scum
Pasch - prob scum

Everyone else - read undeveloped

I think I've explained most of these, but I think Muffin is prob town for the incredibly bold roleclaim; myko for the manner of his mod-spec and for doubting me in a seemingly genuine fashion; Brian for some of his comments during the weak convo, 80 notably; and Pie and Dan because their thinking seems to align with mine.

I think I'd like the F-16 argument fleshed out a bit. I get that he pushed the miller thing pretty hard, but isn't a miller claim pretty genuinely suspicious?

@ Kagami, I actually try to push a lynch on the miller as I explained in post 234.

Looks like you explain it directly in 92. Doesn't matter, still want the argument fleshed out.

no that's not it F-16.

Kagami, why do you read ActionDan as town besides the similar reads?

Similar reads + bias toward townreads rather than scumreads. The only thing I don't like about them is kaze as town; this doesn't really feel like town kaze.

I think scum are perfectly capable of giving reads that are generally accepted to the town. Like Bert being town for instance. There are several things that I found scummy with his entrance.

In post 227, ActionDan wrote:Well.

VOTE: F-16

Brian/Kaze/Kagami/Bert all town

Plum/Pie/Myko lean town

Muffin has a better chance than raw probability to be town I haven't really read everything he's posted though.

who's left? Bro = meh, don't like because Pie vote was ugly. pardon me no offense but Pasche is not my go to definition of a 'decent-inclined-to-be-logical' player and the 2nd post he posted shows that clearly; he could go either way but reading his posts would make your mind melt so I stopped reading him completely. F-16 is scum because he is and and tammy is in the game.

Dismissal of Pasch as "illogical" without commenting on his affiliation seems off. Pasch was the hot topic of discussion and there was plenty in his posts to analyze one way or another.

No explanation of reads at all. In general, this tends to be a playstyle tell as opposed to an alignment tell. To find out which it was, I asked him to elaborate on his reads to see if he has concrete reasons behind those reads. He refuses to respond.

He also misinterprets my posts as calling for Bert's lynch much as you did. I can see it if he didn't actually read through all of my posts so I asked if he did. He confirms that he did. When I clarify the situation and point him in the right direction, he has no response other than:

In post 240, ActionDan wrote:no that's not it F-16.

I don't see any of these posts as town motivated. It seems more like he decided to jump onto Mykonian's suspicion which seems very opportunistic.

I found Kaze's response to Mykonian a lot more townish that ActionDan's.

But Kaze is town, though.

I like F-16's floundering. it is fun to watch

so you don't see anything missing inbetween post 26 and 27 that you would have been expected to say?

you are regfan's alt supposedly correct?

VOTE: ActionDan

It is clear you don't actually have a reason for voting me.

In post 244, Kazekirimaru wrote:But Kaze is town, though.

Wagon Dan with me.