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In post 224, Messiah Complex wrote:Can you show where we actually mention your vote at all, or are you cool with leaving this misrep hanging out on that ledge all alone?

Sure.

Here's where I vote you:

In post 216, Adaptive Heap wrote:Yeah sorry I'm going to call this the "with as slow as it is moving" scumtell.

Conflictingly enough, I agree we need to start making some movements. Perhaps you'll feel comfortable enough to vote your scumreads now then Messiah?

VOTE: Messiah Complex

(I'll ping the holy qt. All I've got recently is haven't seen ffery-scum and only seen Bert in maelstrom situations.)

Spoiler: Short Youtube Spoiler

-t

And here's where you call me scummy:

In post 218, Messiah Complex wrote:

In post 216, Adaptive Heap wrote:Conflictingly enough, I agree we need to start making some movements. Perhaps you'll feel comfortable enough to vote your scumreads now then Messiah?

I can't get over how disingenuous this is.

- Des

...unless 'disingenuous' actually means 'townish'.

Hm?

dis·in·gen·u·ous
\ˌdis-in-ˈjen-yə-wəs, -yü-əs-\
adjective
: not truly honest or sincere : giving the false appearance of being honest or sincere

You are saying we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. You appear to be insincere with your play right now. You are scummy. We are calling you scummy for your play.

And you appear to be saying that calling someone disingenuous, isn't calling them scummy, and at the same time saying it's scummy.

Like that's not even a mindset. Either I'm scummy, I'm not scummy, or you are conflicted.

Either way, what's the max votes you've had on you and why are you so worried about one vote if our slot is so scummy?

Who else will vote do you think?

Dude(s) you're better as town than this, I'm sure. One vote with legitimate concerns. Insta-flail.

Again with the misrep that we are worried about votes. We are not worried about the vote you put on us. We are worried that you are hitting us on both fronts of our activity and acting like its nothing. You scold us for putting people at l-2, and then later scold us for holding off on our vote. You can't have it both ways, butiI appreciate you trying to play bit off. What was unclear about my post 226? Read the words that I am writing.

You say "things will be boring if we don't have wagons to analyse"

You then promptly remove yourself from wagons to analyse, and never push a wagon.

In fact didn't you remove yourself from the DOMO wagon when you unvoted?

I get the distinct feeling that you simply aren't reading our posts. We made it very clear what our play style is like, and we were met with resistance towards that style of play in a game this size. We recognized that with the stakes being a bit higher with being wrong, or with a quick hammer being thrown down, so we unvoted, yes from Domo, and later said that we were reading Lucky as scum and when the rest of the town was ready to move forward and stop jerking each other off that we would be voting for Lucky. If we got that much shit for putting someone at l-2 I can only imagine the aneurysms an l-1 would have caused.

And did we actually say things would be boring without wagons, or are you just shoving words in our mouths again?

Are you fucking kidding me?

I directly quoted that in post 220.

And you're asking me if I'm reading *the specific posts of yours that caused me to have a scumread on you*

Tell you what, I can actually reference a game where Thor calls out scum for this specific behaviour. And I take some decent amount of time telling him that the specifics of the person are more important.

Apparently protip: they're not, and unless you start shitting golden eggs of townmotivation, I have no reason to move this vote.

The problem:

-> says wagons are pro-town, no wagons are boring
-> disagrees that this specific game means wagons should be treated cautiously
-> unvotes scumread who is under little pressure at the time
-> does nothing with vote, pushes no wagon, never re-votes
-> *someone else moves vote onto MC*
-> can't see the town motivation
-> immediately votes in retaliation even though *three more votes are needed to lynch*

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32386

Newbie game. I flaked due to external circumstances. But not before defending the crap out of the player who did exactly the same thing. Saying something's pro-town when he did it, and then failing to recognise it as pro-town when someone else does it.

All these posts tonight are mine btw.

-t

Woah this game livened up somewhat.

ffery's method of leaving me is actually the opposite of alarming. Thinking more, I doubt very much she'd mix her game up in such a manner if she drew scum, more likely she'd try and play to her town meta, which means fake sorting me for a start, and probably anyone else who knows her.

In post 207, Lucky2u wrote:Do you think you are top contender for being night killed?

This is a dumb question. How can I know this? What I do know is that I am town, thus I am indeed a potential nightkill. Top target? I do not know who scum are, how accurate my reads are, how accurate other townie's reads are, who the scum think is cop, etc. Throw in WIFOM and there's every chance I get killed tonight. I've been taken out n1 as claimed miller before (albeit miller tracker). If I'm on form, I'm a threat to scum for sure, so yes of course I could be tonight's kill.

In post 209, Adaptive Heap wrote:At the moment I just see you going - "eh, this person is probs town, that person is probs scum, no wait, the person who I thought was scum before is now town because *insert single post reason* etc.

Hi, I'm DOMO, you might know me as rev. It's not unusual for me to base my reads on thin grounds, or for me to reconsider. All the more likely when it's a micro averaging a page a day, rather than a large averaging a page every hour. There's a lot less for me to work with here than I'm used to, so it should probably concern you more if I'm not all over the place.

In post 209, Adaptive Heap wrote:Seriously you have Messiah as town? Why is that?

I am not townreading MC. My comment "easily the towniest" was in comparison to bert and lucky, although that opinion has shifted somewhat.

In post 214, Messiah Complex wrote:I am feeling like AH, SF and CB are town. Scum is in {Lucky, Domo, Bert}.

I agree with the townreads, catboi less so but let's accept for a minute he's town with SF and AH. That leaves me, MC, bert and lucky. I don not think both bert and lucky are scum because otherwise I think they would recognise they are staring defeat in the face and would make efforts to save the game. Thus, I think MC is scum with one of bert/lucky.

In post 216, Adaptive Heap wrote:VOTE: Messiah Complex

This is a good vote.

In post 222, Messiah Complex wrote:Vote: Adaptive Heap

This is not. MC has abandoned his townread on AH, this vote is an ugly OMGUS.

In post 227, Adaptive Heap wrote:One vote with legitimate concerns. Insta-flail.

Agree.

Unofficial VC.

In post 191, Majiffy wrote:

Scumfuck (L-2): Lucky2u, Bert
Messiah Complex (L-2): Adaptive Heap, DOMO
Lucky2u(L-3): catboi
Adaptive Heap (L-3): Messiah Complex


Not Voting: Scumfuck
7 alive, 4 to lynch.

Is that up to date? Ok thanks

Official VC



I'm back now, you can resume your typical playing behavior.

Does anyone need prods? Let me know.

In post 231, Adaptive Heap wrote:-> says wagons are pro-town, no wagons are boring
-> disagrees that this specific game means wagons should be treated cautiously
-> unvotes scumread

who is under little pressure at the time

WHO NO IS LONGER A SCUM READ ANYMORE AFTER THE POST WHERE WE UNVOTE

->

does nothing with vote

EXPLICITLY STATES THAT WE WILL VOTE LUCKY BECAUSE WE THINK HE'S SCUM WE JUST DON'T WANT HIM AT L-1

,

pushes no wagon

PUSHES LUCKY AND BERT AS A SCUM TEAM

,

never re-votes

WHO CARES IF IT'S ONLY BEEN LIKE THREE DAYS?

-> *someone else moves vote onto MC*
-> can't see the town motivation

IN CALLING US OUT FOR VOTING TOO QUICKLY AND THEN CALLING US OUT FOR BEING SCARED TO VOTE EVEN THOUGHT THAT ISN'T EVEN REMOTELY ACCURATE

-> immediately votes in retaliation even though *three more votes are needed to lynch*

RETALIATION IS A FUNNY WORD CHOICE ASSHOLE

Get fucked, Talah. You are going so far out of your way to paint this shit as scummy that you can't be town. You keep harping on how we unvoted even though we'd said we wanted wagons and OH HOW SCUMMY! when I have already requoted the posts in which we were .

Like, look above. You made 7 statements and only 3 of them reflected reality. It reminds me a lot of your arguments with Thor in Oz (you know, when we thought we were scum together).

PS what makes you think we can do better as town? That's a weird thing to say coming from someone I've (we've?) hardy ever played with.

- Des

In post 233, DOMO wrote:This is not. MC has abandoned his townread on AH, this vote is an ugly OMGUS.

Get your head out of your ass DOMO. It's Bert/Adaptive. Talah was trying to guilt us into putting Lucky to L-1 so Bert could hammer and then use Lucky's mislynch to fuel tomorrow's mislynch at LYLO. Look at Bert's awkward defense of Lucky. Look at #176, for god's sake! Look at the Talah head setting up a townread on Lucky (even though his other head disagrees) and then turning around and voting us for being scared to put him at L-1.

It's fucking clear as day. Bert/Adaptive.

PS we're Doctor.

- Des

Why do you say "a" doctor?

That is what our role pm says, a doctor.

Did you look at hohum's variant on the wiki?

No, but I did now. Why?

- Des

I thought it was odd you highlighted the possibility of more than one doc no matter how your role PM is worded.

In post 242, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I thought it was odd you highlighted the possibility of more than one doc no matter how your role PM is worded.

I don't see any reason to word it the way Majiffy did unless he wanted that possibility open.

- Des

But yeah, we're the doctor

Bert and Adaptive are scum

GG

- Des

I do believe that awful smell you sense creeping into your nose is Adaptive shitting their pants.

- Des

Why did you claim at L-2? It's mostly a curiosity question. Fakeclaiming is a possibility, but I don't see the scum-profit in prematurely fakeclaiming.

What changed your mind about Lucky?

Gotte be legit, why would scum fakeclaim doc and not cop? Real doc can counterclaim and it's no huge loss to town.



I think this is best for today.

In post 246, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:Why did you claim at L-2? It's mostly a curiosity question. Fakeclaiming is a possibility, but I don't see the scum-profit in prematurely fakeclaiming.

What changed your mind about Lucky?

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Because we didn't want any fucking derp hammers. And an Adaptive-DOMO-Lucky-Bert train on us seemed pretty fucking likely last night.

@ bold: Bert WKing with bad reasons + Talah setting up for a Lucky waffle + Goading us into putting him to L-1 + Setting up a quickhammer with Bert in thread

^Why did I need to restate all of this?

PEdit: Bert is not best for today. Who is Bert's partner if it's not Adaptive? And if you agree that it's Bert/Adaptive then we murder the strong scum first.

- Des

In post 248, Messiah Complex wrote:PEdit: Bert is not best for today. Who is Bert's partner if it's not Adaptive? And if you agree that it's Bert/Adaptive then we murder the strong scum first.

I don't know, I just feel that bert is more likely to flip scum and if mislynch is less of a loss. I'll consider your bert/AH theory later, I'm going out soon.