Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[Anatole Kuragin]

He's not just contradicting himself - he's trying to make cases based on contradictions as well. He is changing his opinions based on who he wants to lynch.

Wants to lynch flubber because he's an easy, absent target - let's do a policy lynch

Trying to argue against Ki-Gi - policy lynches are for scum

[mykonian]

yeeeeheeees. I get what you are saying, it really doesn't improve it when you post it twice.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Maybe if he had done something as egregious as saying "bruh," you'd find Csareo a worthwhile target.

[MattP]

Imagine a world where this is all happening except the players involved have the following alignments:

Myko-scum
Anatole-town
farside-town

That is the world I'm currently living in, and it is torture

[MattP]

Can you quote examples of me grabbing at straws, Csareo

Also Csareo never answered this, and I am not ok with him getting away with making a comment like that and not expanding.

[mykonian]

don't be so hard on yourself, then, matt.

[xRECKONERx]

I like Anatole's vote.

VOTE: Car Stereo

The meta shaming in lieu of actual content is realbad.

[xRECKONERx]

Are you saying Mongoose instead of Goose? Cause that makes me really happy.

I can't find the video right now, but it's from a Top Gun parody animation.

[MattP]

There's no way you could play the helpless and confused cards and be scumhunting and expressing scum reads so timidly so early in the game and not be scum. None of your reads have any UMPH behind them and you're choosing the most bizarre things to focus on.

All of the louder players of the game have at the very least commented on a few of these traits of yours, and yet they're distracted. I'd like to point out that myko PROBABLY is displaying these traits because he:
1. is scum and is overwhelmed with the player base
2. is unable to overcome his admission of guilt and therefore can't push a town player hard enough
3. is biased in seeing town player's moves as townlike and therefore is reaching for unnatural things to call out so that at least it looks like he's doing something

I think if myko is scum you could pretty much figure out a bunch of people's alignments, but just from the get-go that Ki-Gi is town

P-edit: Csareo is a lazy vote this early in the game. It's not going to derive any information and he can be dealt with later.

[MattP]

^This was directed at MYKO

[farside22]

He's not just contradicting himself - he's trying to make cases based on contradictions as well. He is changing his opinions based on who he wants to lynch.

Wants to lynch flubber because he's an easy, absent target - let's do a policy lynch

Trying to argue against Ki-Gi - policy lynches are for scum

He would have voted Flubber if he meant to policy lynch him.


I'm going to turn my tunel off Anatole for a moment and sheep Matt.

Vote: myko

[farside22]

Also a note for myself for later is to review ki and heckle and jeckle later.

[mykonian]

There's no way you could play the helpless and confused cards and be scumhunting and expressing scum reads so timidly so early in the game and not be scum. None of your reads have any UMPH behind them and you're choosing the most bizarre things to focus on.

All of the louder players of the game have at the very least commented on a few of these traits of yours, and yet they're distracted. I'd like to point out that myko PROBABLY is displaying these traits because he:
1. is scum and is overwhelmed with the player base
2. is unable to overcome his admission of guilt and therefore can't push a town player hard enough
3. is biased in seeing town player's moves as townlike and therefore is reaching for unnatural things to call out so that at least it looks like he's doing something

I think if myko is scum you could pretty much figure out a bunch of people's alignments, but just from the get-go that Ki-Gi is town

P-edit: Csareo is a lazy vote this early in the game. It's not going to derive any information and he can be dealt with later.

Hell no matt. You are accusing a guy who likes to play scum, who enjoys being bold (hell, this can hardly be missed even if you never read a game of mine, it's all over the forum) with being timid and "fair" scum.

No way to get UMPH after getting laughed at the first effort. All it does is deepen the hole. Been there, done that, just means I'm looking for a new game in 2 weeks. Someone elses turn to make a halfdecent case on little hard information.

[MattP]

Just to go down the rabbit hole for a second, I've never even played a game with you before if memory serves

[mykonian]

Might very well be, my memory is worse when it comes to games. I've seen you play a couple of times but that might have been as a mod.

Regardless, you see me on the board. That case doesn't begin to fit the person.

Which was what I was going to talk about in that same post, actually. It's not hard to make a case on anatole right here, even a decent sounding one. Might rally a couple of votes if it wasn't me making it from this position. But that's not the point, it's to make one that's on scum.

[MattP]

I don't see anatole as scum currently, enlighten me

[mykonian]

If I were scum I'd love to get away with playing like that.

It looks active, but makes little waves. Little of what he says can come back to him and the little that did got strung out to the point where nobody but farside and he read it at which point townies zone out and assume it to be 50/50 and let it be for the time being. It's a defensively strong playstyle, because with each post seems "useful", while in the end there are few results to show. What this game would need is wagons but in no way could anatole make them happen playing like that, so at no point he has to step out and let himself be judged on his stances.

The playstyle would work perfectly for scum, and have limited use as town. If only it made him scum.

[mykonian]

you actually only have to look at the last page to see what I mean. It's a logical playstyle, and as such easy to follow and explain. The way he posts surrounding csareo is the most clear cut example of what I'm (I know, not vey clearly) trying to explain above.

[Anatole Kuragin]

There are no results to show because you are ignoring my case. Vote Carstereo and we will have results.

[mykonian]

Extrapolate post 241 and you can see that I'm liking csareo better for town than I do you.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's circular logic - I'm not getting results with my posts because I am being scumread and thus you won't vote with me. I'm being scumread because I'm not getting results.

This is a serious case on scum and you are opting to not vote on it.

[mykonian]

lol, no that really doesn't apply. As if my choices affect your playstyle.

I could kill that wagon just by talking about csareos use of the phrase "trust me" anyway.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Your choices affect whether someone gets lynched or not. Lynching scum = results. You are stopping me from getting results.

[xRECKONERx]

There's no way you could play the helpless and confused cards and be scumhunting and expressing scum reads so timidly so early in the game and not be scum. None of your reads have any UMPH behind them and you're choosing the most bizarre things to focus on.

I don't really see the "helpless and confused" play from myko, here... specific posts?

[MattP]

If I were scum I'd love to get away with playing like that.

It looks active, but makes little waves. Little of what he says can come back to him and the little that did got strung out to the point where nobody but farside and he read it at which point townies zone out and assume it to be 50/50 and let it be for the time being. It's a defensively strong playstyle, because with each post seems "useful", while in the end there are few results to show. What this game would need is wagons but in no way could anatole make them happen playing like that, so at no point he has to step out and let himself be judged on his stances.

The playstyle would work perfectly for scum, and have limited use as town. If only it made him scum.

Anatole's entire game so far has consisted of getting an early read on me, moving onto Ki-Gi, and immediately becoming swept up in a counter-productive 8 page argument with farside. The situation with farside was led by farside and Anatole was just indignantly responding, and I don't think indignance fueling 8 pages of crap is scum-motivated considering I've done that myself as town many times (and have gotten similar shit for it as anatole is getting now). I think you're being short-sided because you're not acknowledging that anatole certainly got the short end of the stick so far this game with being tunneled by a clear town farside and has been responding in a clearly natural way of someone who thinks highly of himself and believes the shit he is getting is ridiculous. He's trying to change to a more productive string of conversation by pushing a Csareo wagon now. Nothing he's done has set off any alarms in my head.

p-edit: Myko has explicitly stated he feels lost in certain portions of the game, has reads but noone will listen so he's given up on pushing and feels like he will just join a different game in 2 weeks. I think this is pretty insane given we're 24 hours into this game