Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

Actually, that fuckup is making me doubt by scumread. Fuck you very much for that. Now I have to think.

...What fuckup? The accidental pluralization of the word "post"?

Does that even qualify as a fuckup? Is there a quantifiable difference between saying "Belisarius disagreed with a post" and "Belisarius disagreed with multiple posts"? The message is the same, the conclusion is the same; Titus said X and you didn't like X.

I mean unless I'm an idiot (probable) and I've missed something, this just feels nitpicky and strange.

[BRantz]

Actually yeah, GiF: let's hear why I should vote Brantz in your words. No consulting mollie. I have a hell of a time reading her, but I'd love to have a shot at reading

you

correctly for a change.

Easy since I voted him entirely on my own accord!

- Timing of the vote. (No mention of farside reads-wise and suddenly bam a vote on farside the moment mollie votes her with showing suspicion.)
- Justification of the vote. (There is none. His posts before the votes has build-up to scumreading farside and I see nothing in his 171 that warrants a vote on farside.)
- As farside said, while criticizing my very strong townreads, he does nothing to explain why nor explain which one he agrees/disagrees. Just an empty criticism.

I actually agree with you that I had shown no/very little suspicion of farside before this, but the point of my ebwop was that as soon as I was at a computer I was going to flesh out my reason for voting her. I hate writing paragraphs on my phone, so if I have any other option I will use that. I understand that to you the timing looks bad, but I can't really control when I have a second to check the thread on my phone at work.

[Witness Protection]

@ VM I'm pretty much in agreement. I think we just made a Town bloc?

as they were _mainly_ probably obvious town reads (at that time)

Probably obvious townreads but I won't lynch any of these folks today.

then I am unsurprised you are pretty much in agreement. <(no dont read that as a poke at you)> (I am unsurprised)

What I seek clarification on is, I cant tell if the language you used means you (at that time) include VM in the town bloc, or you are saying Mollie just elected the other 4 into the town bloc.

I feel(reads to me) like you included Mollie. yes?

I haven't seen anything out of character for either mollie or GiF, though mollie scum reads me a lot. At this point I'm not looking for best arguments, but sincerity in pushes and defenses. This part in the game will be good for later. We're making connections, and a lot of Townies are going to be pushing crappy cases with low info. Scum have to try to push Town with crappy cases, but they know their cases are crap. We just need to spot the difference.

This is why I don't want to step on others' conversations. I want scum to have as many chances to slip up as possible.

Unfortunately two of my scum reads are our two worst lurkers. Seraphim for the tone of his posts, though in his recent scum game, he sounded pretty scummy to me there as well. DDD was gut. I didn't like his posts where he said I posted too much. I think it was like he was grudgingly calling me Town, and there's definitely some cog-dis going on in his posts.

@ Farside You said DDD didn't post much when you played with him. I know this is an awful small sample to judge from, but how does he compare here to then, and was he Town or scum? All I really remember about him (never played with him) is he IC's in Rome occasionally, and he has an IC spiel.

Tier isn't making a great impression on me at the moment. The only scum read he's agreeing with is the one on him. 60, 129, and 131 He stays a low grade scum read until we've seen more of him.

Of course everything's in flux, and reads may change a lot before the Day's up. *Standard disclaimer here*

I think Belisarius deserves a Town read. I haven't decided on Farside yet.

Yakko's looking some better. I think he's less likely scum now, than I did earlier.

I'm not getting a TSO Town read yet either. He has playful posts right now, but isn't committing to anything, yet. We'll see if this is going to be a trend. I think I may be able to successfully sort a scum TSO.

If anyone wants me to expand on where I stand on someone or something, ask, and I'll answer as soon as I can.

[farside22]

As to your question I asked to Mollie I asked her why it's bs. She said my view on titus was bs and didn't explain why, I also pointed to a game we were both in where titus was less then active so she hasn't explained to me why my knowledge of titus is NS.

Let me know if I missed anything.

If you did it was my fault i was being deliberately vague.
The Titus/mollie/FS game you pointed #170 to either

Explains your original Titus read.
or
Justifies your existing Titus read.

not quite the same thing,
I am pretty sure you say those links to games justify the read on Titus as scum.

I have reading to do and places to go. l8r.

All the games I referenced are the games I've played with titus.
I maybe missing one or two but I can't remeber every game I've played.
But yea off the top of my head 3 completed games I played with titus, all with an inactive titus.

[farside22]

@witness: the game I played with triple D was a dexter mini game. He would post lots of one liners but in that game he had reads going on, that he didn't explain. That is why I have a scum read on him currently because he isn't posting who he is scum reading and just posting things that don't matter.


@axle: why are you okay with vm dodging questions?

[AxleGreaser]

@axle: why are you okay with vm dodging questions?

I am not, and if I inadvertently did i was wrong.

Spoiler: exceptions

There is small set of times when people get to dodge and its ok with me.

<ooc>When replying to Role fishing,(not relevant here, this game, but as this is meta to be used against me in future games, i am covering my arse for those.)</ooc>

and when 'play' being made is still in progress.

This is why I don't want to step on others' conversations. I want scum to have as many chances to slip up as possible.

Which will also be why I watched you and VM, rather than put my big fat foot in, until after 194

---

You have not specified what questions but I am guessing you mean this.

As to your question I asked to Mollie I asked her why it's bs. She said my view on titus was bs and didn't explain why,

and this which is kind of the same question

Why is it bs Mollie?
Did you look into the games I referenced?

Spoiler: Where i think Mollie already had in effect answered those questions

Farside, you literally have described the opposite of my playstyle regardless of alignment. That puzzles e. Town lean for now with a dose ofwtf

The 2 games I'm referring to was the open game I was scum and the 2 mini theme games we both were town in.

None of the games you were vocal.

far

I spend the majority of my time politely asking titus to stfu

VOTE: farside

<elided fluff>

What I should make of you not noticing that, or understanding it the way I do, or why VM has not clarified that.
are all things I don't yet understand.

Either that or I am wrong and that is not VMs answer to those questions and VM is dodging.

Assuming, 97 is not a flat out lie then I don't agree with your reasons 93 for Titus.
and while I don't know what ofwtf is, I do know I have some.

[AxleGreaser]

As to your question I asked to Mollie I asked her why it's bs. She said my view on titus was bs and didn't explain why, I also pointed to a game we were both in where titus was less then active so she hasn't explained to me why my knowledge of titus is NS.

Let me know if I missed anything.

If you did it was my fault i was being deliberately vague.
The Titus/mollie/FS game you pointed #170 to either

Explains

your original Titus read.
or

Justifies your existing Titus read.

not quite the same thing,
I am pretty sure you say those links to games justify the read on Titus as scum.

I have reading to do and places to go. l8r.

All the games I referenced are the games I've played with titus.
I maybe missing one or two but I can't remeber every game I've played.
But yea off the top of my head 3 completed games I played with titus, all with an inactive titus.

Ok so that

explains

why its is not scummy of you to have made your original read. (potentially an honest mistake)
(I am cool with that, I am voting Tier not you, and its for that and other reasons.)

Do you still claim Titus is scummy,

because he is not as inactive he was the other times you played with

inactive!Titus

?

if so why are the times molly played with

Chatty!Titus

not also valid games to draw meta from?

Basically, Huh?

[Titus]

This feels wierd.

I don't think farside is scum bc they would not push something blatantly false.

[Belisarius]

...What fuckup? The accidental pluralization of the word "post"?

I skimmed over the post saying it was a typo, actually ><

[goodmorning]

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

Votecount 1.8

TierShift [L-3] - Elbirn, Titus, AxleGreaser, Witness Protection

BRantz [L-5] - Valkyrie Mollie, hi im Yakko
AxleGreaser [L-6] - TierShift
Belisarius [L-6] - Seraphim
farside22 [L-6] - BRantz
hi im Yakko [L-6] - Aeronaut
Valkyrie Mollie [L-6] - farside22
Aeronaut [L-6] - Belisarius

Not Voting [1] - T S O

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-03-10 20:00:00).

Replacing people etc.

Aeronaut replaces DDD!

[Aeronaut]

What up bitchess

[farside22]

As to your question I asked to Mollie I asked her why it's bs. She said my view on titus was bs and didn't explain why, I also pointed to a game we were both in where titus was less then active so she hasn't explained to me why my knowledge of titus is NS.

Let me know if I missed anything.

If you did it was my fault i was being deliberately vague.
The Titus/mollie/FS game you pointed #170 to either

Explains

your original Titus read.
or

Justifies your existing Titus read.

not quite the same thing,
I am pretty sure you say those links to games justify the read on Titus as scum.

I have reading to do and places to go. l8r.

All the games I referenced are the games I've played with titus.
I maybe missing one or two but I can't remeber every game I've played.
But yea off the top of my head 3 completed games I played with titus, all with an inactive titus.

Ok so that

explains

why its is not scummy of you to have made your original read. (potentially an honest mistake)
(I am cool with that, I am voting Tier not you, and its for that and other reasons.)

Do you still claim Titus is scummy,

because he is not as inactive he was the other times you played with

inactive!Titus

?

if so why are the times molly played with

Chatty!Titus

not also valid games to draw meta from?

Basically, Huh?

Here is what I dont get from your pov.
I voted Titus
I stated what I see from titus typically
Mollie called my read on titus bs.
None of what you quoted explain mollies reasons for finding my read on titus bs. She has said it more then once.
I referenced a game all 3 of us were in because if she is pushing my read on Titus as bs I'm asking her why based on a game all 3 of us have been in.
Why is that unclear to you?

Your stating a read Mollie may or may not know of titus. How does that equal what I know the type of play I have seen from titus?
She is stating something in my view as untrue without explaining herself.
You are stepping in without asking for her meta reference.
So why are you doing that?

As for titus I don't know what to think but I already made a list of scum reads and she is not on it. Is there a reason your asking me about titus scum read when I already stated scum reads with reasons on others?

[farside22]

This feels wierd.

I don't think farside is scum bc they would not push something blatantly false.

Can you point to a game we've been in with you as active from the get go?

I'm pretty tired of people saying something is false were I have no experience with you this way before.

[Aeronaut]

Anything interesting happen yet?

[Titus]

This feels wierd.

I don't think farside is scum bc they would not push something blatantly false.

Can you point to a game we've been in with you as active from the get go?

I'm pretty tired of people saying something is false were I have no experience with you this way before.

That's the problem. I am hyperactive in every game as everyone here is telling you.

[Witness Protection]

Hello Sir Aeronaut. You realize for some of us(me), you have a tuff row to hoe?

Were you aware it was a scum slot when you replaced in?

On the Titus thingy, I think I've seen Titus as chatty(writing walls) and using mainly one liners. In my experience she isn't afraid of gambits, and can get a little chatty

as

scum. She WKs, busses as scum, etc. She

can

come off as sincere, and is able to deflect wagons off of her (sometimes). But she's had a little practice, so it's expected.

I'd need more than the length of her posts to justify voting her ATM.

I don't remember if Farside and I have any other games together than this one's predecessor. I may reread it to renew myself on how she plays. I read the Titus ISO, I may look at the game mollie, Farside and Titus played together too.

*Thoughts on meta* I used to try and use it A LOT. Now I just use it to try to get a general idea of how someone plays. Meta as scum reads is iffy. Hell, my play changes with every game I play. I see scums do new things all the time, and I know that sometimes how I'm feeling affects

my

play. Meta

can

prove a scum read, but it needs significant proof that the meta is a consistent occurrence.

[Aeronaut]

Hello Sir Aeronaut. You realize for some of us(me), you have a tuff row to hoe?

Were you aware it was a scum slot when you replaced in?

Oh, I must've read the role PM wrong


Yea, the first five pages are a drunken bumble of bullshit. So.

[Witness Protection]

@ Aeronaut I sobered up already, if that helps. Days ago.

You seem to be continuing DDD's line of posting??? Have you not picked up anything else?

What did your Role PM say?

[Aeronaut]

@ Aeronaut I sobered up already, if that helps. Days ago.

You seem to be continuing DDD's line of posting??? Have you not picked up anything else?

What did your Role PM say?

Something about how I win when all the town members are eliminated or something

[Witness Protection]

You're a Mafia traitor that wins when you sacrifice your team? Forget the "drunk" and let us know if anything else stands out to you. Do you think scums could be lurking, either active or inactively. Like not getting to prod distance, but not saying much of anything, and/or just not posting? My scumdar says yes, but it hasn't been in for it's scheduled maintenance lately, so there's that.

[farside22]

Anything interesting happen yet?

Have you read the game, there is not that many pages to read.
Thoughts on vm, yakko and brantz. Maybe belli too.

Well just because people have seen titus hyperactive doesn't mean I have. (Shrug)

[Witness Protection]

hi guyz

wats going on

I consider using this in RVS cheating - we're all risking stuff to make the game and you're sitting there playing it safe. I am disappoint.

JABBERWOCKY JABBERWOCKY JABBERWOCKY

I am disappoint. More cog-dis.

@ VM Why's TSO Town?

[Elbirn]

You're a Mafia traitor that wins when you sacrifice your team?

How did you get "mafia traitor" out of that?

[Belisarius]

You seem to be continuing DDD's line of posting???

A shit leopard can't change its spots.

[Elbirn]

Oh shoot, I just want to make everyone aware of this now, cuz I just realized. Beginning March 5th I'm going to have to V/LA until March 9th. I'm shipping up to Boston with some friends for, among other things, a geeky videogame con thing. I'll only have phone access and will try to keep up when I can, but I'll have no computer access and obviously a diminished ability to post/contribute. Apologies to all. :/