So let me get this right.
Wagon analysis here we go: 2/4 votes are RVS on Wake. 1/4 is from a guy no one even played with. 1/4 is from someone who hasn't said why, and requests me to join the wagon.
This must be the Twilight Zone. Or you guys are aliens.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:41 am
by Zachstralkita
In post 224, Performer wrote:Other than "vote is still on wake it's where I want it" and a post with naked vote on Wake, I don't see a case from you on Wake?
My vote is now on shannon who I'm quite sure is scum, but my case on Wake is as follows:
He's basically talking noise. That colored reads list was great. I'm not buying fucking cupcakes though.
#147 is a long(er) post, but all that could have been said in about two or three sentences. I don't like that. I don't like it when it looks like you're saying a lot when you're not actually saying anything.
The crux of the matter anyway, if I'm not mistaken, was that Titus was talking to someone and wanted THAT PERSON to answer her questions rather than Wake doing it. Wake however, jumped on it.
This isn't a 19-man face-to-face conversation. It's a message-board thread.
Please don't avoid my questions Titus. It's making me feel uncomfortable about your alignment.
1)
You said that someone voting you means that person is scumreading you.
2)
I say that's not necessarily true, because it isn't.
3)
Instead of responding to my point you ask me why I'm interrupting you.
4)
Me: Like why are you not being logically and why are you avoiding the point. Please respond to my points Titus.
Yeah, a vote at this point is a scumread from someone actively following along, or it's someone who has no desire to sort the thread, which is a scumclaim. Your vote says "I want this person removed from the game".
You're being semantic and interrupting my questioning trying to sort Almost and trying to play semantic games while interpreting someone else's read rather than letting them speak for themselves.
See I don't really agree with that, and I say that with all the respect in the world. I've seen players vote other people they didn't necessarily Sumread just to see what their reaction would be. Heck, I've done that in the past. So knowing that when you say voting someone means you Scumread the person I have to say 'wait, that's not true, and here's why.'
I feel like you're inappropriately attaching meanings to actions and, well, if you're Town Town wouldn't do that. It's not true that a vote on someone at this point is a Scumread from someone actively following along. It's not automatically true. But you also change the meaning mid-sentence by saying OR the vote's from someone who has no desire to sort the thread. Which is it, and why must it be either? And then you attach a further meaning onto the second option by saying it must be a Scumclaim. I'm sorry but you're not being logically accurate, and at this point I'm trying to understand if it's just honest mistakes or something more deliberate. Whatever the case this needs to be sorted out immediately.
It also looks like you're attaching yet another meaning to that vote, that the voter wants someone removed from the game. You can't assume that. Not if you're honest. The person casting the vote could also be looking for reactions.
What you mistake for semantics is me trying to pin down exactly what you're trying to say (and what you mean), and wanting you to slow down and clarify your ungrounded assumptions. I have the right to question you whenever I want so long as the Day is open, and so does everyone else to anyone else. I have zero reason to wait until you and he are done exchanging, because you can easily see my post in the feed and respond back eventually. It's not even something to argue about, and instead tells me it's a distraction to try and get me off you with my questions.
Will you please acknowledge that someone voting you
does not
necessarily mean they're Scumreading you?
I'm sure Titus is experienced so she would.. be aware of this at the very least. Why is it worth a 3-4 paragraph post? I know how smart you are, Wake. You don't have to rub it in.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:43 am
by Zachstralkita
I know it's the norm to lynch Town Day 1, but no one can say I'm not trying when you're playing the game of " whose bullshit is wrapped up in the most attractive packaging?" and sheeping that vote.
I probably don't even have half majority, but if this situation doesn't shift I'm going to dial down my operating processes to level 2 and communicate soley in BARS.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:45 am
by GuyInFreezer
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:47 am
by Performer
Checked out rest of shann's ISO, placing her into null now. I see why she voted Zach though, as I went through a game with Firebringer that had noisemakers who caused a ton of chaos. Town ended up losing that game, and it was a shameful one.
At the same time, I think a wagon earlier than later, is more productive than sitting around doing guessing games. Taking a page from Thor's book.
Based on podo's ISO alone, I'm putting that slot into my scumreads at the moment.
In post 224, Performer wrote:Other than "vote is still on wake it's where I want it" and a post with naked vote on Wake, I don't see a case from you on Wake?
My vote is now on shannon who I'm quite sure is scum
I find this somewhat interesting.
I don't see why is shannon town in Transcend's eyes. Nullreading shannon is okay, but townreading? Based on what?
She posted 6 times, 5 out of those 6 posts are crap and the other one is RVS.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:23 am
by implosion
Nah, he's right. shannon is probably town. 175 isn't an argument that I think scum are particularly likely to be the first to make in this kind of game, the follow-up in 184 also is a post that I see scum as unlikely to make.
And @Nos idk a lot of people have said that over the years. I think I'm one of those players for whom some people just naturally read the tone of my posts as scummy irrespective of my alignment.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:32 am
by Zachstralkita
In post 231, implosion wrote:Nah, he's right. shannon is probably town. 175 isn't an argument that I think scum are particularly likely to be the first to make in this kind of game, the follow-up in 184 also is a post that I see scum as unlikely to make.
That's horrible.
Those aren't even really arguments either.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:35 am
by Boem_u_dusi
I dunno, 175 could very well be scum looking for an easy target.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:37 am
by implosion
I mean, it could be, but I'm inclined to see it as town.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:38 am
by Zachstralkita
In post 234, implosion wrote:I mean, it could be, but I'm inclined to see it as town.
of course u are cause she said it about your #1 scumread!!!!!!
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:41 am
by implosion
Zach, can you clarify exactly what you meant with 161? I understand (although disagree with) the point that you'd have liked for him to say more before he disappeared. But the first sentence still doesn't make sense to me. And I still don't understand what the post was about if you were actually only scumreading him for tonal/gut reasons (which is the only way I can interpret "aura", correct me if I'm wrong).
In post 234, implosion wrote:I mean, it could be, but I'm inclined to see it as town.
of course u are cause she said it about your #1 scumread!!!!!!
I mean, I would be pretty surprised if you two were scum together ~_~
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:46 am
by Zachstralkita
In post 236, implosion wrote:Zach, can you clarify exactly what you meant with 161? I understand (although disagree with) the point that you'd have liked for him to say more before he disappeared. But the first sentence still doesn't make sense to me. And I still don't understand what the post was about if you were actually only scumreading him for tonal/gut reasons (which is the only way I can interpret "aura", correct me if I'm wrong).
That post didn't really mean much at all. Gut, sure, but I'd be a fool to try and gauge something reasonable from 2 posts.
In post 234, implosion wrote:I mean, it could be, but I'm inclined to see it as town.
of course u are cause she said it about your #1 scumread!!!!!!
I mean, I would be pretty surprised if you two were scum together ~_~
You'll be surprised to learn that that's statistically impossible given I am not scum.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:53 am
by implosion
that isn't what statistically means unfortunately.
Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:00 am
by Performer
I just realized that there are literally only 4 people I played with , in here.
Nosferatu, do you recall the game where Firebringer was scum with Xtoxm Traitor, and what's his face as the 3rd scum? There's something strange going on here and I 'd like for you to try to look at that game. I'm going to dig into that game as well (moderated by chamber). I think that may help us in discerning alignment for Mr. X.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:06 am
by Zachstralkita
implosion wrote:
Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.
How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.
implosion wrote:
Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.
How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.
I find that strange as well, imp saying he is close to townreading you . Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.
@Nos I just found it! Man, I sound a little weird in that game LOL. Embarrassingly weird. Guess that's what happens when you're still only 3 months into FM. That game still brings tears to my ears when I read it . Such fantastic townplay. There was constant TvT too but we learned to look over it and focus on the right people. I wish I can say the person's name but I don't want to paint a target on the person.
implosion wrote:
Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.
How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.
I find that strange as well, imp saying he is close to townreading you . Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.
Are you going to.. do anything about this?
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:19 am
by Performer
In post 244, Mirhawk wrote:Hey performer, why did you vote for a no lynch? It's obviously not going to stick, so why not just place no vote?
To fish for reactions ! First day of d1 , we had plenty of time to talk over things, get wagons generated, etc. Unless there are special cases, then no lynch is typically a bad way to go.
Oh and someone asked if I was an IC before - I'm not going to answer that question.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:21 am
by Performer
In post 245, Zachstralkita wrote:Fun fact guys, Dunnstral has hard tunneled me D1-2 before and I flipped Town. He just gets a little excited sometimes.
implosion wrote:
Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.
How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.
I find that strange as well, imp saying he is close to townreading you . Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.
Are you going to.. do anything about this?
I am going to wait and see. imp is hardly the type to lurk.
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:23 am
by Zachstralkita
Performer wrote:
In post 245, Zachstralkita wrote:Fun fact guys, Dunnstral has hard tunneled me D1-2 before and I flipped Town. He just gets a little excited sometimes.
implosion wrote:
Zach i'm like pretty close to townreading you. I just need you to give me some more to work with.
How does that work? You're the sole benefactor of my wagon.
I find that strange as well, imp saying he is close to townreading you . Not only that, but him saying his tone is typically scumread by others, is also frankly weird.
Are you going to.. do anything about this?
I am going to wait and see. imp is hardly the type to lurk.
Now's probably a time to get this shannon counterwagon going pal, I know you put the slot into null but I have a scouter-type ability for finding scum (which people....don't really put faith in... but it works)
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:28 am
by podoboq
In post 209, Performer wrote:Please link us those as well. Nobody seems to know you in here, which is shocking and disturbing.
Micro 594: One Night Ultimate Werewolf
I was Minion, and convinced everyone that I was Troublemaker, then claimed to switch my teammate Werewolf, so he outed himself as a Werewolf, and the town split votes on him and the person I switched him with, so even though I was playing a fantastic scum game, I lost because I made my teammate out himself. It was weird.
Newbie 1681
Won as Vanilla Townie here. I made final four, and shouldn't have won, but the last scum felt bad about the way he played, so self-voted and conceded it on us. I did catch the mafia roleblocker, though, which I was pretty proud of.
A Musical Mafia!
This game just ended. Vanilla Townie again. I was lynched in day 5, and most of my reads sucked. I learned a lot, but it's not a game I'm proud of.
Mirhawk knows me from Musical Mafia.
I'm catching up now, and generating a reads list. Sorry I've been mostly absent. I wanted to let the thread build before trying to form any reads on people. Expect some real content on me within an hour.