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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:37 am
by Technical Difficulties
this is gonna be mostly shoot from the hip
scumhunting in multiball is just as shit as ever
open queue needs more singleball games
anyway

Beefster
: The things he thinks are scummy are actually fairly consistent, and his reads reevaluation reads genuine. I powerlynched Beefster literally last multiball game, and either he's actively making an effort to not play exactly the same, or he's just not scum here. Constantly changing trajectory heavily implies town. Not_Mafia vote is actively pro-town.

GIF
: Generally difficult to read playstyle. It feels like he's put himself in a position that will let him pretty much lynch anyone. I'm not seeing much effort to sort people. Hawk vote was good but then he backed off of that.
@GIF:
Please explain exactly why you backed off Hawk. Do a towncase if you have to.

Hawk
: I feel like I expect more of this. Chainsaw defence of my slot feels like buddying up to me after JK9++, and going after RedFlavor when Red is absolutely playing differently from JK9++ is predatory. Then when I lurk off the face of the planet, he switches over to discrediting/fencesitting my slot (WTF?). A lot of his reads feel politically motivated.

Iconeum
: Jesus christ am I gonna have to do wagon analysis on this shit? Iconeum is so obviously newbie tryhard town it hurts. Literally my first game I tried to policy lynch the shit out of someone D1 for claiming scum and the town wagoned me. The rules quoting, the digging his heels in at "BUT BUT HE CLAIMED SCUM". It's like you guys completely forgot how to read newbies. Like MAYYYYYBE he's fire mafia (the one that N_M isn't), but the rules post quote really makes me think he just didn't get a scum PM.

Kop
: feels fluffy. The "DID N_M CLAIM SCUM OR NOT" is just a really easy discussion to have to look busy. Seems LAMISTy.

Mumble
: Mostly NAI, but generally feels like a newbie who's genuinely incapable of reading other newbies. It's like...
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Not_Mafia
: @my replacement: DO NOT LET HIM LIVE TO LYLO.

RedFlavor
: I straight up don't believe he's improved his scumgame THIS MUCH since Polygamist and JK9++. He's not obvtown in the newbie sense, he's obvtown in the sense that this game is straight up out of his league. I've seen no evidence that he's capable of actually casing people as scum, or going through nuanced reasoning.
Trust my meta guys, don't lynch Red.

Sesq
: She's defending herself trying to frame herself as town on singleball towntells. Doesn't work. Complaining about the gamestate reminds me of myself as scum. If she doesn't get into the game or show original content by the end of D2, you need to lynch here. Never getting shot.
That said, figure out if Sesq has ever played with RC before, because if she has, antagonising RC seems to have little scum motivation for someone who's clearly not a powerplayer.

skitter30
: I was waiting to give a read on her entrance because I was modding town-skitter. I know nothing of skitter's towngame, but I'm seeing almost exactly the same playstyle, the same genuineness in her reads, the same pushiness with a "hit you over the head with this case every post I make". fucking REEKS multiball-town. Honestly likely to get NK'd anyway. Should post a full reads list at some point.

Sky_Paladin
: I don't like the Beefster vote. The "don't you know you're town?" thing is predatory as shit. I don't like the Not_Mafia vote when he spent an entire post talking about how concerned he was with me, and then admitting to not wanting to go head to head with me (I almost got him lynched last time he did so). It feels like he's jumping on the train of "WOW TD'S OPENING WAS WEIRD RIGHT" but isn't putting any ass behind it.

T&T
: I'm not gonna pretend I can read RC. Keychain feels pretty decently town though. Questioning people that she could've just started pushing instead. I guess she could still be multiball scum who's just actively scumhunting while RC pushes the scum agenda, but it doesn't really feel like there's an agenda here.

Okay ranking:
Town: {Iconeum, RedFlavor, skitter30}
Probtown: {Beefster, Mumble, T&T}
Nullscum: {Kop}
Probscum but depending on certain things (see my reads on them): {GIF, Sesq}
Probscum: {Sky_Paladin, Hawk}

Lynch anyway: {Not_Mafia}

If I were going to continue to play this game, I'd be voting Hawk.

TO MY REPLACEMENT:


PLEASE don't fall into the trap of going along with the shit Iconeum/RedFlavor wagons. They're newbtown. And be super wary of the Beefster/Mumble wagons; a lot of the things people think are scummy about them are not actually scumtells.

Outside of that, do whatever you want.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:41 am
by Technical Difficulties
In post 187, Viomi wrote:Beefster (5) - Technical Difficulties, Sesq, RedFlavor, Iconeum, Sky_Paladin
RedFlavor (3) - Hawk, Kop, Not_Mafia
4/5 of my scumreads?!?!

ON THE SAME SHITTY WAGONS?!?!?!?!

Red and Icon don't know better. Sesq sheeping my slot is absolutely horrible. Sky's vote is exactly the scumspot on the wagon.

Hawk vote on Red was chainsaw-y. Kop vote was lazy. Not_Mafia can always be lynched.

Beefster is a bad lynch today. Deadline lynch him if you absolutely have to (it's high information to be fair) but after that, you're lynching Sesq/Sky_Paladin.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:45 am
by Not_Mafia
Or lynch RedFlavour for being scum

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:06 am
by Technical Difficulties
Yeah sorry for the replace-out guys. Feelsbad. This is the third and last game I'm replacing out of right now because life is hard. Appreciate all of your collective patience with me... esp. Math lol. See you when I return!

With love, your valentine,
-Impede

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:10 am
by GuyInFreezer
In post 225, Technical Difficulties wrote:@GIF: Please explain exactly why you backed off Hawk. Do a towncase if you have to.
I'll answer if your replacement asks the same question.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:05 pm
by Hawk
In post 229, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 225, Technical Difficulties wrote:@GIF: Please explain exactly why you backed off Hawk. Do a towncase if you have to.
I'll answer if your replacement asks the same question.
What if I ask you?

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:11 pm
by GuyInFreezer
No, only from that replacement.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:14 pm
by Viomi
In post 223, Technical Difficulties wrote:
@Mod:
Replace us out. Impede got swamped with real life recently and basically haven't been following this game. Hydrae are weird.

Gonna do some ISOs and a reads list for the benefit of my replacement in the meantime.

UNVOTE:
:(

Replacing Technical Difficulties and pausing the deadline at 1 week.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:16 pm
by Hawk
Fine I didn't want to know anyway.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
by Technical Difficulties
really am sorry about replacing out

but i'm in too many games and i never intended to play this without impede (i don't want y'all to see me as someone who would replace out solo)

and the last time i banked on getting shot N1 so i could just leave the game alone... didn't turn out so well :lol:

VOTE: GuyInFreezer
will give my replacement a helping hand
please ask that question and then get reads on GIF's ISO from everyone else

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:28 pm
by GuyInFreezer
I don't get why people post after they replace out.
I personally think it's kinda breaking the spirit of the game.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:14 pm
by Sky_Paladin
I have issues with GiF's playstyle as it's hard to derive intent from quite minimalistic posts. However he is actually engaging players in most of these posts - eg 57 when he votes Hawk 'for reaching', 121 when he questions Kop/TD about reaching, expressing an opinion on NM, and a few other things. So I feel this is more likely to come from town and I'm not really interested in lynching there.

I'm evaluating Beefster's response.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:25 pm
by Not_Mafia
GiF's votes are good

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:10 pm
by Hawk
I'm ignoring TDs readlist. Because of the replace out. It won't help read the slot until it flips so I'm going to have to reevaluate after that happens if I'm still alive... not that I was very certain of the slot before anyway.

It bothers me more that they unvoted, asked for a replace out, and are now voting...

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 pm
by Tatl and Tael
okay let's just lynch N_M.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:35 pm
by Hawk
Is that a policy lynch T and T??

VOTE: Not Mafia I'm not opposed since it seems like everyone has voiced at least a bit of concern with him living too long.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:38 pm
by Not_Mafia
VOTE: Hawk

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:18 pm
by Iconeum
In post 239, Tatl and Tael wrote:okay let's just lynch N_M.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Paused and a week left but settle on NM?

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:57 pm
by Tatl and Tael
I mean I see why you would think that's scummy but I just don't feel like dealing with him long term?

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:03 pm
by Beefster
VOTE: Tatl and Tael

Something just seems off about this slot and I don't think it's the hydra.

Not_Mafia gives nothing to work with for analysis, so is an understandable policy lynch, but I think it's too early in the discussion to be policy lynching.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:04 pm
by Tatl and Tael
Best answer I can give is that you wouldn't think that there was anything wrong if we were scum.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:05 pm
by Beefster
Hawk would be a fine wagon for the same reason. I wish N_M would explain himself because he might be onto something.

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:06 pm
by Beefster
VOTE: Hawk

What the hell. Why not?

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:09 pm
by Tatl and Tael
so

GIF
Hawk

vs

TD
Kop

or something

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:43 pm
by Viomi
Mikan Tsumiki replaces Technical Difficulties. Please welcome them to the test chamber.

The deadline resumes, you have (expired on 2018-02-21 22:45:00)