Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

[Dyrenz]

Chemist - Looking back on it, probably used initial RVS to bait an unwary scum voter. Posts might be short, but they offer substance. Wish he'd offer more opinions on things, but he did mention most of what he's got revolves around PRs and he doesn't want to risk getting people NK'd so maybe he is just playing it safe. - Town

I dont get it

Why is this a townread?

Just a feeling I guess, based on my last game

[skitter30]

Did u play with him before?

[Dyrenz]

No, just reminds me of another player who was obvtown

[Mr Oobsy]

Actually, since your almost certainly planning to counter with something related to information from power roles

Yes, I was.

Lynching on day 1 is like having a free cop shot.

It's not a free cop shot. It costs a player's life. The life of a player who is probably

Town

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We don't need to lynch

How do you propose we win this game?

Start lynching tomorrow. Did you really think I was asking everyone to go the entire game without lynching anyone ever?

Love the usage of colored fonts and bolded names, makes his posts easy to read through.

Thanks. I was hoping they made my posts easier to read, but wasn't sure it had the intended effect until you confirmed it.

[Micc]

Oobsy, how come you never addressed the part of my post where I talk about the game going from 3 to 2 mislynches regardless of a day 1 lynch happening or not?

[Micc]

I’m going to make some assumptions about your experience here, but they’re assumptions backed with knowledge I’ve gathered from playing or moderating a lot of newbie games on this site over the years.

The community you learned the game from balances games a lot differently than this site. You’re advocating for a game with heavy emphasis on nighttime play while this site places a heavy emphasis on daytime play. In general, our games don’t have as many PR’s as I’m assuming your used to. There will not be enough information from PR’s to solve the game entirely on night actions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not lynching is always good for the mafia, and not for the town. Mr Oobsy, i am not agreeing to your plan.

[Micc]

Well, that’s not objectively true. One could easily design a setup with an even number of players and enough power roles that a day 1 no lynch would be optimal. That’s just not the kind of game we’re playing right now.

[Farren]

Alright, it would appear that overall expectations for level of analysis and contribution are much higher from my first game. Our towniest player wrote in 1-2 sentence posts and said I was their highest town read. I've been in the middle ground of effort, which apparently is worse(?) than being low effort. It seems to be giving off the idea that I am pretending to contribute while not giving enough substantive information to back up the reads offered. Allow me to correct my own laziness then.

Do you believe that you were, up to this point, not providing sufficient analysis?

[Farren]

NorwegianboyEE

- Initial opening onto Chemist, gives and defends reasons for voting. Plays similarly to myself with a cautious, evidence-based voting style. Tries his best to offer analytics, but again like myself is not too good at catching the subtler tells. Mentions my playstyle reminds them of themselves as scum. Has kept vote on Chemist from the beginning, mostly due to having no other convincing voting options in his opinion. Probably town, but the comment on how their scum game reminds them of how I play makes me wonder. -

Null

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Scum

Farren

- He is asking a lot of questions, but not providing much analysis. His given reason for voting me is pretty weak in my opinion, basically is saying "your read is wrong IMO, you're scum!". Reading over his ISO again, might actually be my scummiest read. -

Scum

You have Norwegianboy and I as your only two scumreads. Does that mean you think the two of us are the scumteam?

[Dyrenz]

Alright, it would appear that overall expectations for level of analysis and contribution are much higher from my first game. Our towniest player wrote in 1-2 sentence posts and said I was their highest town read. I've been in the middle ground of effort, which apparently is worse(?) than being low effort. It seems to be giving off the idea that I am pretending to contribute while not giving enough substantive information to back up the reads offered. Allow me to correct my own laziness then.

Do you believe that you were, up to this point, not providing sufficient analysis?

I thought I was, but it didn't seem sufficient enough to please Micc so I thought I would up the amount of time spent on writing out an analysis.

[Dyrenz]

NorwegianboyEE

- Initial opening onto Chemist, gives and defends reasons for voting. Plays similarly to myself with a cautious, evidence-based voting style. Tries his best to offer analytics, but again like myself is not too good at catching the subtler tells. Mentions my playstyle reminds them of themselves as scum. Has kept vote on Chemist from the beginning, mostly due to having no other convincing voting options in his opinion. Probably town, but the comment on how their scum game reminds them of how I play makes me wonder. -

Null

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Scum

Farren

- He is asking a lot of questions, but not providing much analysis. His given reason for voting me is pretty weak in my opinion, basically is saying "your read is wrong IMO, you're scum!". Reading over his ISO again, might actually be my scummiest read. -

Scum

You have Norwegianboy and I as your only two scumreads. Does that mean you think the two of us are the scumteam?

TBH I'm just trying to make individual reads. This is my second full game ever of Mafia, I've never played on a different site, IRL, etc. I don't think I'm at the experience level needed to put together partners. Having said that, I don't think you and Norwegian would be partners if one of you is scum. If one of you is, someone else is your partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Finding out the mafia by analyzing who could be partners is just wishful thinking at this point. I don't think the mafia would be so dumb as to act real tight and friendly with each other, if they did so then the game would be over by the time just one of them is revealed to be scum.

[Chemist1422]

I think your chemist push is awful, and misrepy, and scummy

K, lol.

VOTE: NBEE

Yeah okay

This is a frozen reaction

[Farren]

Do you believe that you were, up to this point, not providing sufficient analysis?

I thought I was, but it didn't seem sufficient enough to please Micc so I thought I would up the amount of time spent on writing out an analysis.

That's fair.

So, a glimpse into how I look into things. The question I was actually trying to answer: Were you accusing someone (me, in this case, but it could have been anyone) of scummy behavior that you yourself were knowingly performing? That would be a huge scumtell.

In this case, that didn't happen. If you had said you weren't providing sufficient analysis, that would have triggered the tell.

Changing up how you do things to address someone else's suspicion - eh. Scum do it to deflect suspicion, but Town do it too - especially if it's a positive change overall. Which providing sufficient analysis is. So no change there either way.

[Farren]

Finding out the mafia by analyzing who could be partners is just wishful thinking at this point. I don't think the mafia would be so dumb as to act real tight and friendly with each other, if they did so then the game would be over by the time just one of them is revealed to be scum.

Picking two random people and evaluating them for likely scumpartners is silly, I agree.

But if a member of the town has exactly two scumreads in a game with two scum, checking to see if they are plausible scumpartners makes sense. If those two scumreads don't make sense as at least possible partners, then it's a sign that they've got at least one bad read, if not two.

And if it's not a member of the town doing it, then the reads are fake in the first place. The more pressure one puts on fake reads, the more likely those reads are to buckle.

[Farren]

VOTE: NBEE

Yeah okay

This is a frozen reaction

What does frozen reaction mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wtf is a frozen reaction?

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: NBEE

Yeah okay

This is a frozen reaction

What does frozen reaction mean?

not sure if that’s MU terminology but it means they didn’t know how to respond but responded anyway, basically

[NorwegianboyEE]

Um that’s some pretty advanced thinking there buddy. All i did was sarcastically rebut Skitter30’s attempt at pathos.

[Farren]

not sure if that’s MU terminology but it means they didn’t know how to respond but responded anyway, basically

Why is that scummy?

[Dyrenz]

I'm actually with Farren here, at worst it seems more like OMGUS

[Chemist1422]

not sure if that’s MU terminology but it means they didn’t know how to respond but responded anyway, basically

Why is that scummy?

“K lol” makes it seem like they’re not taking the push seriously, or are trying to appear as such, likely the latter

[NorwegianboyEE]

What seems like OMGUS?
Still trying to fathom this term. Sorry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chemist, i still don't understand your confusing ranting. Can you elaborate why me saying "K, lol." is sufficient enough to warrant a vote? Or are you voting me because i'm voting you?