Well. This part is public I guess but it's worth mentioning that it's a named townie effect; my loved status disables when I am at L-2, L-1, or L-0, so I don't
actually
take one more vote to lynch. Not unless I have the auction power which reenables the Loved status while at L-2/L-1/L-0.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:34 pm
by mastina
In post 153, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I haven’t read anything this game and want to make sure This Buff isn’t given to good scum.
If BM is the scum he can easily be caught.
Does not compute.
Battle Mage is, historically, proven repeatedly, to be one of THE most skilled scum players of all time onsite. My very first game onsite is proof enough of that.
In post 178, PJ. wrote:how, my audition power makes me loved, btw
Extra skeptical of Panzer now because that's literally my audition power.
To be clear, this is how my role works, paraphrasing to avoid a modkill:
I have a day passive, that when I am NOT currently at two or less votes away from the original lynch requirement, being Loved. But when I am at two or less votes away from the original lynch requirement, I DO NOT have the Loved ability.
My audition bonus grants the day passive, "when you are currently at two or less votes away from the original lynch requirement, Loved."
That is as close to a direct quote of my role PM as I can get without being modkilled for it.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:43 pm
by mastina
In post 183, HoldenGolden wrote:-The mason claim is NAI to me rn until its doubled down on. I really only see it as a joke post. I think the scummest thing posted so far by mastina is actually the readlist; mainly since the reads seem to be following who said hello (me, demos, popopop) and not actually rooted in any content.
It IS rooted in content. It was specifically saying 'hello' instead of producing content which gave me the townread because it shows that the players are fairly lax and casual with no need to feel the requirement to look town. (Contrast with Battle Mage and Tuxedo Mask, whose posts are forced attempts to look town without actually being town.)
I don't. There are better gambits than a fake vig for determining townness given that you'd have to be really really dumb as scum to believe a dayvig is real and it is standard play as scum to treat the dayvig as real and produce content to sell the illusion that you're a townie.
What the gambit does do is make me more sure you're town tho.
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:49 pm
by mastina
Deimos27
HoldenGolden
popopopopopopo
Mikul
TrueSoulEnergy
Shiro
TheThirteenthJT
Panther and Fox (HYDRA: ??? + ???)
Sujimichi
Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage
Locktown, strong town, weak town, lean town null, nullscum, scum.
(Panzer removed due to 3p claim thus invalidating reads on him. But it should be stated I am incredibly skeptical of his claim both the original claim and also his audition power literally being mine.)
TheThirteenthJT
Panther and Fox (HYDRA: ??? + ???)
Sujimichi
Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage
Locktown, strong town, weak town, lean town null, nullscum, scum.
(Panzer removed due to 3p claim thus invalidating reads on him. But it should be stated I am incredibly skeptical of his claim both the original claim and also his audition power literally being mine.)
Deimos has just been so unbelievably town in every front in a way I cannot imagine could ever come from scum.
HoldenGolden's posts this game have felt incredibly natural and casual, in a way that I felt wasn't manipulative, wasn't forced, wasn't with an agenda, and the fake-dayvig reaction test only solidifies it, following with his reasoning for having tried it in the first place. While I disagree with his conclusion from it that Tuxedo Mask is town, I follow exactly why he thinks that and I don't think he as scum goes through the effort of setting up such an elaborate ruse, one which doesn't give any benefit to himself.
popo's the lesser cousin of HoldenGolden due to less content but a similar entrance.
Mikul's prodding and poking of Battle Mage felt in contrast to the interactions with Battle Mage and Tuxedo Mask. Whereas BM-TM interactions felt like scum distancing, Mikul's interactions with Battle Mage felt like sincere scumhunting, and Mikul's presence in regards to other slots also feels natural.
TSE's entrance into the game immediately screams town to me because I can just kinda see into his thoughts, even if I know they're faulty and not reflective of reality, because I can tell that he believes them to be true, and if he believes them to be true, then what he's done makes perfect sense and vibes with a town mindset.
Shiro, well. Shiro I used to know how to read but have forgotten. I kinda lean town right now mostly off of gut and thinking, "this seems to be the Shiro I remember as town", but I admit, my memory is probably not reliable, thus how weak of a read it is.
Panther and Fox (just realized that's probably a Persona 5 reference!) are unable to post, thus, obviously, null. Their absence is explained and effectively they are not a player. If I had to guess, I would guess town because an inability to post in-threads would also mean inability to post in PTs and I feel like an inability to post in PTs would've been brought up earlier, resolving the issue sooner; that it took so long seems to suggest they didn't have a PT to post in and it wasn't until the game started that they realized there was an issue preventing them from posting.
The Thirteenth JT's posted, but the post was utter dead nullness--if any of my scumreads were wrong, just by process of elimination, The Thirteenth JT would be a de facto default scumread.
Sujimichi I admit isn't so much a real scumread so much as a tradition. I feel obligated to place Sujimichi in this category until Sujimichi actually shows up.
Tuxedo Mask's early content felt forced, especially in regards to Battle Mage.
And Battle Mage's content has screamed scum setting up an excellent performance pretending to be town, doing things which look town, but which aren't actually town, feeling forced, stifled, and wholly artificial, calculated and precise every step of the way with no fluidity to his thoughts, nothing natural to them. His play is clinical here in a way I feel indicates he's probably scum.
TheThirteenthJT
Panther and Fox (HYDRA: ??? + ???)
Sujimichi
Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage
Locktown, strong town, weak town, lean town null, nullscum, scum.
(Panzer removed due to 3p claim thus invalidating reads on him. But it should be stated I am incredibly skeptical of his claim both the original claim and also his audition power literally being mine.)
??? i made one post - hello
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:11 pm
by mastina
Oh forgot to include the removed-from-readslist Panzerjager, but I feel he bears further mentioning.
I immediately got the vibe that Panzer wasn't town because if he were town I'd expect there to be some sort of pressure from him on me because I said "Hi I am a mason" and the last time I said I was a mason in a game with Panzer, well...he was down my throat the entire time pretty much.
Him claiming third party gives that a reasonable explanation, but I find the third party claim to be suspect since Panzer is someone who, I seem to recall, has the mindset of murdering 3p claims on policy, by and large. I admit this is mostly to memory, thus, not reliable, but I also seem to recall Panzer plays 3p differently than this. His claimed 3p role is also hard to verify, and then on top of all that, his claimed auction power is literally my auction power so I am directly a counterclaim to his claimed ability.
All-in-all, I feel that there's a very real chance that he's scum fakeclaiming third party,
but
, I feel obligated to, at least for now, humor him, because I feel that
if
he's telling the truth, there's no harm in letting him get a wincon, and he's certainly not the best D1 lynch. He's not the
worst
D1 lynch, because he's either scum or 3p, but I feel there are better options.
In post 153, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I haven’t read anything this game and want to make sure This Buff isn’t given to good scum.
If BM is the scum he can easily be caught.
Does not compute.
Battle Mage is, historically, proven repeatedly, to be one of THE most skilled scum players of all time onsite. My very first game onsite is proof enough of that.
Wow, what a blast from the past!
Consider me resident in your pocket from now on. <3
In post 223, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Reread my role pm to find the audition bonus. Would you like me to say anything about it? Be vague about it? Or say nothing?
TheThirteenthJT
Panther and Fox (HYDRA: ??? + ???)
Sujimichi
Tuxedo Mask
Battle Mage
Locktown, strong town, weak town, lean town null, nullscum, scum.
(Panzer removed due to 3p claim thus invalidating reads on him. But it should be stated I am incredibly skeptical of his claim both the original claim and also his audition power literally being mine.)
??? i made one post - hello
Lol
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:10 pm
by PJ.
Oh i hadn't read yet because I couldn't get through bm sucking his own dick or w/e on page 2. You fakeclaiming mason again, having a bad reads list, and having an extremely strange role paraphrase makes my life pretty ez tbh.
VOTE: mastina
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:37 pm
by Panther and Fox
What's up everyone! It's your favorite model Ann here! Sorry about the late entrance we had a bit of a problem to fix up.
Now that we're here I promise you're in for a treat! Me and Fox have read a little bit of the game already, but I'll catch up on the stuff I haven't read.
~Ann
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:44 pm
by Panther and Fox
Hey Holden you wanna tell us how you got Tux town from your little interaction test with him? Because I got the exact opposite pings. To me that seemed like a very obvious reaction test. Maybe it looked more convincing at the time of it, but it's very doubtful. The entire post after like he was really gonna die just felt forced and perhaps a bit staged. I'll wait to hear what Holden has to say on this though! VOTE: Tux
I know Fox has another scumread, but I'll let him state it because he has such a way with words that even I couldn't exactly put. Townreads on Mikul/TSE though
I hate Mason's tbh. I've seen both Yakuza and TP Cult claim Mason and use the recruit as a way to try and town confirm. If that's how it works on here.
This is exactly why we should lynch Martina, she also has a history of fake claiming masons as scum.
In post 149, PJ. wrote:I'm catching up now but I think I've decided i need to claim because I was rolling it around on whether or not I need to.
My seiyu is Rikiya Koyama. The role is Tora from Ushio and Tora. I am neutral alignment with no win condition due to being trapped by a holy spear until I have to drawn 3 night actions on separate nights. After that I am freed from the spear I become Town w/ what I'm only willing to describe as strong powers. I'd appreciate your cooperation.
Are you notified when you draw an action?
(Scum you should target this guy with your non-KP abilities please)
My little dinger ticks down
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:34 am
by PJ.
Battle Mage is not a good scum player. Battle mage was actually renowned for being incredibly not good at mafia.
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:54 am
by Shiro
In post 232, mastina wrote:Shiro, well. Shiro I used to know how to read but have forgotten. I kinda lean town right now mostly off of gut and thinking, "this seems to be the Shiro I remember as town", but I admit, my memory is probably not reliable, thus how weak of a read it is.
I mean let us be honest, I have only post twice I would be highly surprised if anyone could read me off of that xD
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:59 am
by PJ.
she read popopopopo as town off one word so like...
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:16 am
by Panther and Fox
Good morning everyone. I see Panther has already arrived, so now I'll attempt to relay my thoughts as well.
Tuxedo Mask was the scumread we both agreed on, I heavily disliked the way he approached his question Holden. It seems quite clear that it was a reaction test, and he never posted a response to Holden's answer until he was later called out on this post. I also don't think the dayvig test Holden used on him was likely to work, as the odds of Holden actually daykilling a player so early into the game was close to zero. I found his mastina vote underwhelming as well, so I'd be interested to see how he reacts to mastina's latest posts.
The other player whose posting I found unsightly was Battle Mage's. In particular, his early aggression seems at odds with his reaction mastina's claim - namely the empty unvote. Battle Mage, if you were so willing to try and pressure us before your mastina vote, why were you unwilling to return there after the Mason claim changed your mind?
I can't say that I feel great about all of mastina's reads, but how they apply their logic seems consistent right now. I think that if mastina is scum, they'll struggle to maintain this consistency and it will become clear with time.
