Why do you criticize everything your townread says? That just doesn't make sense to me.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:17 am
by Amélie
In post 104, Gamma Emerald wrote:Interesting that frog is there too for you but okay. I personally think it’s great.
I think I can townread this even if only a little bit. This was something that stuck out to me.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:22 am
by Amélie
In post 122, Grendel wrote:Trendell looking bad. All posts are about RQS, or are not game related.
Looks like snugg scum sliding by in the early game
In post 123, Grendel wrote:Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS. They obviously cant all be scum, but i would be surprized if it contained nothing but town.
describes how I think after reading grendel's posts.
My scum reads are flipping to town reads too fast. Kind of bad but at least I have some sort of a reads list now.
Town: Frogsterking, Gamma
Null:
Scum: Grendel
Yes, I do seem to agree with everything they are saying but no disagreement is strange. townies generally have different thought processes that will clash in some way but the most "default" opinions are ones that everyone agree with and I think those normally come from scum.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:28 am
by Amélie
I'm not sure how to explain my thought process on the "default" opinion argument. It's hard to put into words but if anyone can help me out, that would be great.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:34 am
by Amélie
In post 231, Amélie wrote:I'm not sure how to explain my thought process on the "default" opinion argument. It's hard to put into words but if anyone can help me out, that would be great.
Ok I've thought about it. I think the best way to think about it is that there are a bunch of people in a room. All of them have terrible eyesight except the scums. Scum can see things more clearly and speak lots of things that townies don't think of but the moment a townie sees the post they think something like "How did I not think of that?"
Scum know who is town and so they can find places where townies sound super townie whereas townie paranoia masks those posts making townies unable to see things like that.
I'm bad at explaining. This was the best I could do.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:36 am
by Amélie
In post 146, OutWorldER wrote:trying to form a town bloc this early when most reads are made purely on gut and most posters aren't even in the double digits in terms of post count is uh
pretty terrible and i'm very wary of the people pushing it because it could very easily be scum trying to form early pockets so they have direct or indirect control of the game.
Grendel saying "I'd probably be unhappy with a town core" in 124 but then going off and asking for TR's in 131 especially strikes me so:
VOTE: Grendel
I like the grendel vote.
Add OutWorldER and Galron to my town reads.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:48 am
by Amélie
In post 152, OutWorldER wrote:i generally think town blocs are an EoD/mid-late game thing and I don't like to people attempting to form them super early in the day because it leaves a lot of room for error and when done wrong it gives scum good ability to warlock the game
it's part of why I generally don't form a lot of TR's early in the game
regardless I did misread Grendel there so
UNVOTE:
mostly just biding my time at the moment, don't have a super good place to park my vote.
remove townread. you did misread. I liked the vote. didn't check the logic.
In post 153, NoPowerOverMe wrote:There is not really the point approximately 66% of players should be town and usually active posters are town so it's an educated guess and a decent strategy in my opinion
In post 123, Grendel wrote:Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS.
Then why are you picking on just trendel?
Also, what else are you expecting? The RQS suggested by frog was a breath of fresh air but at this point the game was open for less than 24 hours. There are two potential leads out of the random stage at this point. This was your only moment to get a string of posts out, with your only post being "I will post later tonight" so...
Very very good point. Could be partners? It's a stretch but I'm going to continue thinking about it that way for a bit.
In post 192, Galron wrote:I want to see more from Trendl and a couple others before we eliminate you.
Agree with Gamma Emerald. This statement is bold but I like it!
I didn't really understand what was happening for the first half of this last page I just read so I'm just going to pretend it doesn't exist.
138 is another example of saying something without really saying anything. It's the kind of thing I could see scum saying just for content's sake. I also agree with Gamma's 142 in response to this.
139 I completely disagree with her reads here, and it generally seems a lazy attempt at a solve to link all the supposed 'townbloc' as being the scum team.
I don't hate this but I don't tr either. My first null.
138 is another example of saying something without really saying anything. It's the kind of thing I could see scum saying just for content's sake. I also agree with Gamma's 142 in response to this.
139 I completely disagree with her reads here, and it generally seems a lazy attempt at a solve to link all the supposed 'townbloc' as being the scum team.
For curiosities sake i would also like to hear what you think of Trendal, and Mommrangal.
-/-/-/-/-
Its gotten late on my end. Seeya tomarrow
I'm looking forward to bug Spray, and hopefully gambling pigs catch up.
I don't really have any read on Trendall. I'm not sure why, but I got a slight Town ping for how he was at first on board with the personality test and later turned against it. Perhaps as scum it would be easier to just stick to the chosen narrative, but overall not much to go on really.
Momrangal has a confident tone which makes me feel as though she might be Town, but still not a strong read as of yet.
Just looking through her posts now:
132 I don't really agree with her reply to Frogs here, that scum wouldn't soft a bus this early on, and I don't really think it's an important thing to highlight for discussion at this stage anyway.
188 I found it interesting how she used the word 'insulting' here, as though she had herself taken offence to what Frogster said. In the context of 'scum haven't posted much as they don't know how to lie', only scum would take offence to that. I actually agree with the point she is making here as I also have little time for Mafia on weekends, but an interesting choice of words on a subconscious level, perhaps. I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into that, but it's just something that caught my attention.
190 Says 'why only Trendall' in his defence when others have been inactive, which is far enough, but this kind of stance isn't doing anything to advance the game forwards, and she herself isn't voting or pushing anyone yet.
So with all this considered, I have her just below the null line.
slow game and holidays holding me up makes the game hard to read for me
I've actually had similar suspicions as those Galron has about Frogster but I was (and still am) waiting for certain things to happen before I'm ready to call him scum.
I'll join on Trendall for the time being. I feel his wagon probably pushes the game forward the most considering he seems to be active but his posting is vapid at the moment. Don't feel good about any NPOM pushes considering he's giving me a lot of VI feels.
Blatant sheep, and Subtle discredit on what is likely town must die
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:22 am
by NoPowerOverMe
4 players with 10 posts or less. I'd make a guess at least one scum is in that group.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:24 am
by Trendall
dw i'll do more later on maybe. Quick update tho I think Momrangal, frogsterking and NoPowerOverMe are more likely to be town and everyone else I have no opinion on. I think my bugspray vote is legit like that could easily be one of the mafia.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:50 am
by Gamma Emerald
I think Amelie’s recent effort seems decent. VOTE: bugspray
Let’s whack some weeds, shall we?
In post 146, OutWorldER wrote:trying to form a town bloc this early when most reads are made purely on gut and most posters aren't even in the double digits in terms of post count is uh
pretty terrible and i'm very wary of the people pushing it because it could very easily be scum trying to form early pockets so they have direct or indirect control of the game.
Grendel saying "I'd probably be unhappy with a town core" in 124 but then going off and asking for TR's in 131 especially strikes me so:
VOTE: Grendel
I like the grendel vote.
Add OutWorldER and Galron to my town reads.
In post 152, OutWorldER wrote:i generally think town blocs are an EoD/mid-late game thing and I don't like to people attempting to form them super early in the day because it leaves a lot of room for error and when done wrong it gives scum good ability to warlock the game
it's part of why I generally don't form a lot of TR's early in the game
regardless I did misread Grendel there so
UNVOTE:
mostly just biding my time at the moment, don't have a super good place to park my vote.
remove townread. you did misread. I liked the vote. didn't check the logic.
You'd automatically hand out a TR to someone who votes your scumread without even checking their reasoning?
I could maybe understand this in a scenario where you have a very strong reason to believe someone is scum, but this doesn't seem to be the case at all with your Grendel SR.
In post 122, Grendel wrote:Trendell looking bad. All posts are about RQS, or are not game related.
Looks like snugg scum sliding by in the early game
In post 123, Grendel wrote:Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS. They obviously cant all be scum, but i would be surprized if it contained nothing but town.
We both joined this game just to confuse you with our similar sounding names. It was allllll part of the plan!
I personally hate this. It feels to me like you're sorting based on post count whereas that is definitely not how this game works.
Prioritizing the players with little content early-on isn't a bad strategy, and certainly isn't a reason for a strong scumread which Amélie is portraying herself to have.
In post 202, Grendel wrote:. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.
I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic
Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.
In post 240, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Amelie’s recent effort seems decent. VOTE: bugspray
Let’s whack some weeds, shall we?
Im inclined to agree with the first post after seeing her more recent posts. not sure why you are seeing her as decent (town?) currently.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:01 pm
by Grendel
I've clearly explained that was more then just pushing "low activity" slots, im not sure if Amélie is missing that reasoning, or is ignoring it.
*@amelie*
You are ESL right? do you rely on translation software, or are you pretty fluent on your own?
Not asking it to be rude or anything. I've played with folks before who relied heavily on translation software before, and sometimes that caused us to talk over each other's heads.
