Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:30 pm
Morning uncrowned, good timing
Right.In post 216, cassowary wrote:This logic is weird. "Thing that both town and scum can do" doesn't mean "NAI". If it's more likely as scum than town, it should push people towards a scumread, and vice versa. There are very few things that only town or scum can '100% do'; if there were then mafia would be a lot easier, wouldn't it?
I mean yeah, I agree naked votes are never great as its hard to get a feel for the slot's thought process behind the voteIn post 223, Uncrowned wrote:Hey guys, look. Someone sheeping a wagon.
Clear scum. Let's elim them.
As others have mentioned, scum tend to care more about looking town then actual townies do. It's certainly something I have seen scum do in previous games to try and rationalise/defend their actionsIn post 226, Uncrowned wrote:But *why* is it more likely for scum to do what I'm doing than town would be? That still hasn't been answered yet.
I actually wanna TR this lol.In post 223, Uncrowned wrote:Hey guys, look. Someone sheeping a wagon.
Clear scum. Let's elim them.
Are you seriously expecting cases? On page 6 is it?In post 232, Uncrowned wrote:Your points are literally contradicting each other now.
There is no case on me. The wagon is crap and the PoE should be the people on it.
Mate, you need to calm down. There's no need to talk to me like that :SIn post 229, Uncrowned wrote:Have you read Chkflp's ISO at all or are you just talking out of your ass?
They are the exact same thing and if you're SRing me, you are 1000% SRing them too.
You dropped your vote, you got more heat than you imagined you would for it, you then wrote a massive second post trying to justify your first one and then carry on in later posts trying to rationalise how town!you would never have made that first post. That feels to me like someone who actually cares a lot about looking town.In post 231, Uncrowned wrote:How is my first vote the act of a scum who would care about looking town, exactly?
I'm not seeing your thought process here at all.
As above, I don't see any particular contradiction between your first post trying to lay low and avoid saying too much and then subsequently trying hard to rationalise it away when it drew heat. I could be mistaken ofc, but your behaviours so far feel more likely to come from a place of scum than town.In post 232, Uncrowned wrote:Your points are literally contradicting each other now.
There is no case on me. The wagon is crap and the PoE should be the people on it.
How much do you actually believe this?In post 235, Marky Mark wrote:you got more heat than you imagined you would for it,
Also very interesting how you entirely ignore this.In post 226, Uncrowned wrote:If you even want to go into iffy self-meta territory, I could argue this as being more town indicative for me, as this is something I've done in several town games during the early game while never having done it in a scum game.
I can't really "refute" you calling my response to Mark an overresponse. That's just an opinion that I can't really change.In post 234, Flea The Magician wrote:How about refuting my points, lets stir some conversation up.
On a sidenote, an argument against this could be "but town are lazy" which is absolutely true. But given how Mark is top posting and is engaging rather actively with me, this seems pretty out of character if he's town.In post 238, Uncrowned wrote:Any actual uninformed person would either do research on the meta or ask for me to show examples of me doing this at the start of my town games.
Don't shade me please. Given that you went from a first post with a naked vote to a short essay for your second post, actually yeah I do think this. I've seen players drop naked votes for first votes before (obvs), but they also tend to be the type to stay on the fringes of the game, not then subequently go to such lengths to defend/rationalise their actionsIn post 237, Uncrowned wrote:How much do you actually believe this?
Oh man I forgot how gross this was.In post 219, cassowary wrote:Dang, L-2. Careful with that wagon, Eugene.
Lol. I didn't delve into this because:In post 238, Uncrowned wrote:Also very interesting how you entirely ignore this.In post 226, Uncrowned wrote:If you even want to go into iffy self-meta territory, I could argue this as being more town indicative for me, as this is something I've done in several town games during the early game while never having done it in a scum game.
As soon as something pops up that threatens your paper thin reason for voting me, you immediately go in other routes. Doesn't really read like someone who is uninformed to me.
Any actual uninformed person would either do research on the meta or ask for me to show examples of me doing this at the start of my town games.
So Mark is informed AKA scum and at the moment Chkflp is decent partner equity.
Let's elim between there, squad.
Ok, lets assume you knew what you were doing and it was a deliberately provocative play. This fmpov makes your behaviour feel inconsistent - in your OP you aren't worried about looking town, but you then subsequently come across as caring very much about that, eg in your second and third posts.In post 243, Uncrowned wrote:You're criminally underestimating my self-awareness as both alignments.
I know exactly how I would be perceived for voting like that, especially when it's on Page 4 and not any earlier.