In post 221, skitter30 wrote:By analyzing a wagon, we try to look at the motivations someone may have had for joining it, and try to determine if said motivations are more likely to come from town or scum
We know t3 flipped town, so if we're looking for potentjal scum on the wagon, we have to look at the remaining living slots
Okay, so...
WhemeStar, CreativeName, GriffNotGraph, SAMCRO,
T3
WhemeStar just parked his vote there and wasn't around during the hammer blowup. He could be scum, but given Creative's reads, I feel like it's more likely that he's just lazy!town and an easy miselim. If Creative flips town, we might have to revisit him.
CreativeName jumped on the wagon because of his accusations about Pooky, which were, like I said, weird. The reasons that Creative voted for Pooky are the very things that SAMCRO is discussing right now.
Griff is...interesting. He said he jumped on because of that's what everyone else was doing. Adding to the pile while feigning ignorance kinda reminds me of Mini Normal 2187. 2ndchosen1 rolled scum as his very first game of forum Mafia, and played the "ignore me, am smooth brain" card all the way until a scum victory. That being said, I get the feeling that the quick E-1+lolhammer caught Creative off-guard and that he didn't really want to be on the wagon when hammertime came? If that's true and Creative flips as scum today, then Griff is town and SAMCRO is town.
As for SAMCRO, it's like Pooky said. You don't put someone on E-1 just to prove a point, unless you're convinced that the person you're voting is scum. So SAMCRO is either very confident or is, himself, scum.
This is good, actually. It means that if we flip Creative and he's scum, then we have two almost-confirmed townies. And if we flip SAMCRO and he's scum, I think we basically win in that case too because, well, you'll see. So I'm willing to switch to SAMCRO if we have to do that to secure an elimination. Like, either way, if we eliminate scum today, we're an inch from winning and we just have to pick one.
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:36 am
by CreativeName
why did it not put my text in, must have done it wrong :/
I said best judge if you can't decide is opportunity cost, but SAMCRO was called scum by his top town read (Pooky)
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:49 am
by Kazyan
Yeah I think I'm gaining confidence in the SAMCRO option. I'm not gonna put him at E-1 yet because I don't want a scumbuddy to hammer and for us to get a repeat of Day 1 with still little to go off from anyone, but UNVOTE: Creative for now. Finger of suspicion at SAMCRO.
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:55 am
by WhemeStar
Hi im here catching up soon still on like page 7 didn't read the wagon at all.
In post 165, SAMCRO wrote:i will speed hammer pooky if there is another vote on him so we can get creative after when pooky inevitably flips town
I get either scum vibes or mason vibes from this, it's way too early to call flips like this so this is scum trying to make us not eliminate their partner, or a mason who knows pooky is town due to them being their partner, 3rd option is pooky is town and SAMCRO is pushing for a second miselm after a first one
I don't like this post either
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:01 am
by WhemeStar
Skitter is your only scumread Samcro?
I think samcro is obv town and I don't think scum does what he did there.
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:01 am
by WhemeStar
He is WAY to confident for how a newbie scum would play.
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:53 am
by CreativeName
I feel those reads are way too confident for town too, and I know they're wrong, no one is ever 100000% sure someone is scum unless they're cop in a game where they're sane with no invest confusing roles
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:21 pm
by fferyllt
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:30 pm
by WhemeStar
In post 233, CreativeName wrote:I feel those reads are way too confident for town too, and I know they're wrong, no one is ever 100000% sure someone is scum unless they're cop in a game where they're sane with no invest confusing roles
Do you think newbie scum acts confident with their scumreads?
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:31 pm
by WhemeStar
Megan/Griff do you have any thoughts at all?
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:32 pm
by WhemeStar
Megan/Griff I also suggest finding an avatar as it is very helpful for when others are reading the game to sort players!
In post 233, CreativeName wrote:I feel those reads are way too confident for town too, and I know they're wrong, no one is ever 100000% sure someone is scum unless they're cop in a game where they're sane with no invest confusing roles
Do you think newbie scum acts confident with their scumreads?
They could if they think it secures them the win with a miselim, say an overt mafia pushing with a hidden mafia buddy, it's likely a mafia win if all actives die if they get that miselim.
Scum aren’t so confident in fake reads that he will vote someone else just to get his point across.
Why do you scumread him?
What Pooky said just made a lot of sense to me. I just don't think it's so unreasonable that Charge Into Glorious Battle is a scum strategy in the newbie queue. I'm not sure what to tell you beyond that.
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:38 pm
by CreativeName
I assume 1 of 4 things is
T3 Roleblocked the other power role - if this is the case don't claim
Tracker got no incriminating result or neighbour didn't send a message
Friendly neighbour targeted an inactive or the tracker is inactive
We only had the one power
All of these make sense with no claim
Again only claim if you're the tracker with an incriminating result, only claim who is friendly neighbour if it will help decide a lynch candidate/stop a town being lynched. don't claim if roleblocked
Scum aren’t so confident in fake reads that he will vote someone else just to get his point across.
Why do you scumread him?
What Pooky said just made a lot of sense to me. I just don't think it's so unreasonable that Charge Into Glorious Battle is a scum strategy in the newbie queue. I'm not sure what to tell you beyond that.
From my experience that's not what happens.
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:31 pm
by Kazyan
You're the SE, I suppose.
@Skitter
, when you get back from V/LA: Does newbscum charge forth with accusations like this?
, when you get back from V/LA: Does newbscum charge forth with accusations like this?
From my own experience in non forum games I have seen it happen
Example:
A mafia roleblocker claimed town roleblocker and said they roleblocked me and the mafia didn't submit a kill, this was like a lot of the people playing's 3rd game and the mafia roleblocker's first game, so yeah it happens