Slaughter Hour: Grand Debut | Moderator Chat

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Fun fact, not a single scum is SPARING gamma in the first 5 votes. lol

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I'm sad petapan's frustrated about the game mechanics. I hope it improves

(the game mechanics, i mean)

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and i also very much doubt the baddies knew during event 1 which is maybe town indicative for you hm

I think the baddies knowing what the throne actually does during event 1 is fairly reasonable

they did not know what their sabotage was though yeah

I'm not sure which ulyana is referring to

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why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?

Because that's a game mechanic -- scum gets a warning an event in advance of what is to come. They also learn special secrets about the current event (but those are more rare)

The sabotages, however, are only told to them when each event begins. Ulyana is right about that

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it says they know more, that doesn't mean they know everything
maybe they get info a day (well, an event) in advance. The first event rolled directly into the second, and there's a benefit in the third for sparing here in the second. I'm gonna figure each event ties into the next in some way, and scum's knowledge at least includes that.

Ding ding ding!! Well Gamma is cheating a little bit

The events almost always tie into the next. The only time this doesn't happen is from event #4 -> event #5, as well as from #6 -> #7.

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I would argue that the most intuitive and obvious secret scum know during Game #1 is what the chair does, no? Since that was the big mystery

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my thinking the entire time has been scum knew it was a kingmaker vote, with strong belief they also knew about the vote to execute or spare the executioner afterwards. I don't believe they knew about the reward for sparing a town executioner, but I do think they know what the reward is now.

Exactly!

Oh, wait

yeah

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why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?

not sure, it's possible she did so that scum could plan around it a little bit

that would be the knowing it was not an elimination or even that it was potentially beneficial i assume

why are you assuming these things

because giving the information about the second event during the first doesn’t make sense when you then have to give it again to say would you like to sabotage this event? here’s what would happen et cetera

Ah, I see now.

Fun fact, the sabotages and secrets were combined originally when the setup was thought up! But that was before even NK15 started reviewing. Not so, anymore. They're two different mechanics. It is worded like the stagehands have two separate powers in the OP for this reason -- they are separate!

In game #3, for example, scum knows a *secret* that they may kill one of themselves off intentionally to kill anyone they want. However, they may *sabotage* the event to make spinning the gun barrel do nothing.

In game #1, scum knows a *secret* that the chair doesn't kill, it kingmakes and then players vote to kill/spare the king. They may *sabotage* the event to disqualify players from the chair.

Secrets never run out and are generally information-based and don't give scum extra power (the trading 1-for-1 isn't really a power, it's more like conceding a scum member to die). Sabotages are WIFOMy and can save lives or kill lives or change game rules and so on.

Secrets can tell you about any event (but usually just the current event and the next one). Sabotages are always only for the event you're in.

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so you think the mafia had the information about sabotaging the second event during the first event?

Ulyana is correct though, they didn't have this information. They had the secrets!

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i read bits of radio buzz (it's why i signed up for this) and scum knew well in advance what was going to happen that game so knowing the twist to the first event is not at all unreasonable

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Radio Buzz was definitely more of an attempted finely-tuned setup by me. This one is more like a mario party with constant deaths streaming in.

i'm very proud of the mechanics in radio buzz, here I'm more invested in the flavour and the overall game looking pretty and (hopefully) being fun -- balance took a bit more of a backseat. It was really hard to balance a game with multiple moving parts and so many different sabotages and event outcome combos.

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Pooky is too dangerous to be left alive

too gud

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maybe pooky is the ultimate bad guy and faked his own death so he can come back and surprise us in the twist ending finale

probably not but i wish that would happen

eheheheh dont give me ideas

Now I wish that would happen

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The Results

Let's investigate!

                                                       

TICKET TO ENTRY

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    POOKY    

ALLEGIANCE:

CONTESTANT

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TICKET TO ENTRY

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CEPHRIR

ALLEGIANCE:

CONTESTANT

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Total

Contestants

Remaining:

10

Total

Stagehands

Remaining:

4

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actually i'm going to hipfire a reads list from memory having done almost no review

people who are towny:
taly
gypyx
infinity 324
skitter30

towny but not as confidently:
ulyana
gamma emerald

not sure, need to look at more closely:
saber
sircakez
dwlee99

people who are not towny/poe-ish:
ydrasse
toogeloo
galron
dunnstral

the bottom group don't translate to explicit scumreads in all cases but the bar is such that i am perfectly content with getting rid of people who aren't helping their own causes. gamma's logic about toog not caring about d1 being suspect when the twist was revealed is my thinking exactly, the paranoid thought i had day 1 was that his apathy toward the phase was a result of being informed that the vote was not directly an execution vote

1 in each exactly!

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I am sorry to players who were looking forward to playing with pooky / enjoy his presence in thread (and to Pooky himself) -- I just have a design philosophy where scum can take out threats to themselves, just on a limit or with caveats. I like scum strong

I wish I could have made that nightkill a little less frustrating in some way

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event 2 is working pretty much as intended -- redemption chance!

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omg

the cheekiness of gamma to play 12 hours of sleep music for me after he murders me in cold blood

wild

LMFAO

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Spoiler:

obsessed with these buffers

thank u datacox

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hm, anyone feeling any different about the spare now?

I haven't seen a benefit.

that is... not how it works

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I'm so glad the votes aren't just a galron avalanche! The duel will be much more interesting this way

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28.4 seconds per day

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All players vote to nominate a player to partake in a Duel to the Death.
The first player to reach a majority will be nominated, as well as the player with the second-most votes when a majority occurs.
The player who was nominated second gets the gun first. It is guaranteed at least one nominee will not survive the duel.

so, i should speculate here

i avoided that first phase because i feel like that endless guessing is a rabbit hole that distracts from actually playing mafia and we had no way of knowing what the twist would be

(it is super tilting that scum essentially got a free kill with the sabotage that was optimal to use no matter what the alignment of the person in the chair/execution target was. just absurdly unfair. pooky didn't even get a chance to play the game)


but i think it's clear that we need to give some consideration to what's going to happen and potential twists/fuckery because we need to make votes with strategic consideration that are hedging against bastard shenanigans

so the two people are in a duel, it doesn't necessarily say with each other but it says one nominee will not survive so let's just assume it works that way for now

i think the most obvious potential sabotage is for the gun to backfire and kill the shooter

but also, it doesn't really have anything to indicate the duelists will be isolated, it seems like it could be entirely possible that the #2 choice who gets the gun could just shoot someone else if they're scum. sure they get outed but it'd be like another free kill

so i sort of want the #2 person to be someone who is a poe/uncertain read but has the possibility of being town, that's what makes sense to me

The first phase was intended to be viewed as an elimination. I think in order to fix this, I should have said "The player in the chair has a possibility of being killed." Or something along those lines. It wasn't supposed to be a massive mystery.

The only nightkill sabotage in the game occurs on essentially night 1, the night where a nightkill would be the least effective. Scum has very little killing power in this setup, and I wanted them to have the equivalent of half nightkilling power due to how difficult a nightless, non-killing scum game is. Having no way to take out players is exceptionally hard for scum in nightless. Now, their abilities to do so diminish as the game goes on, so the earlier event #2 does have a good sabotage to justify burning one so early.

I think it was unfun for Pooky though and could have been designed better. Had that sabotage simply blocked or changed executioners or something along those lines, I think scum never uses it.

overall i feel unhappy with it but I do think scum needs killing ability. The implementation in that game could have been improved somehow.

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oh i forgot to say it but i'm gutted i was right on ceph and didn't get a chance to defend him

i don't really begrudge gamma it's just. i tunneled ceph in our first game together and i felt like he was getting bad reads on him here for similarish reasons and i wanted to save him

sadness

That second event structure kicked peta's ass and i dont blame him for loathing it

Will definitely be taking this into account going forward. I really like the redemption theme. I don't like players feeling like their words don't matter.

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(i love the game morning tweet sorry that i suck)

no worries! Large themes are not really my thing either, to be honest.

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Petapan kinda bullied Galron out of the game there :x