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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:24 pm
by Wisdom
Ali you wanna live?
Read my points about Imaginality and vote there

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:49 pm
by Alisae
In post 101, imaginality wrote:All of which is to say the "if you flipped scum I could consider it" seems more likely to me to come from scum talking to town than from town. Scum talking to town know the first part of the statement ("if you flip scum" can't occur so are more likely to give a careless consequence "I could consider it", compared with town who believe it's a genuine possibility to consider.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:51 pm
by Alisae
Wis 225 reads like a threat >_<

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:54 pm
by Wisdom
*shrug*
I told you, the only way I'm not liming you is if imaginality becomes a possibility

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:58 pm
by imaginality
In post 225, Wisdom wrote:Ali you wanna live?
Read my points about Imaginality and vote there
Yeah, let's read your points.
In post 152, Wisdom wrote:Yeah I know townies get fixated on "scumslips" and push them forever, I've done it myself a couple times

I don't know, I kind of disliked his tone in pushing it, for example his appeal to people to judge whether I am inno or guilty for my statement felt a little manipulative


How is it in any way manipulative to ask others which possibility they think is more likely? Compared to the "omg X is sooooo scum, don't be losers come elim X with me nao!" over the top playstyles?

In post 153, Wisdom wrote:But again Imaginality is the one person I haven't played with in this playerlist so I could be disliking playstyle
Even you admit your point is questionable.
In post 155, Wisdom wrote:
In post 107, imaginality wrote:So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.
Like this is suggestive, it's like he's saying "Taly is not obvtown so I don't believe Wisdom" but he's putting it more subtly so it immediately rings manipulation bells for me
How is it subtle for me to present that choice in the context of me voting you? It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).

And unless I've missed something, that's the sum total of your points against me. Whereas this push on me is a point against you, it fits the 'scum wanting to get players who are suspicious of them eliminated' motif.

Not how I'd have expected town to respond to what I said. My vote is staying on you.

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:00 pm
by Alisae
I don't think the guy is scum.
It's scummy behavior ya but gun to my head says it's just playstyle.
I also think if it is scum it'll be identifiable later where as right now it could go either way but I think it's likely town

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:01 pm
by Alisae
In post 229, imaginality wrote:Even you admit your point is questionable.
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:02 pm
by Alisae
also how did I not see 155
155 is good

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:02 pm
by Wisdom
Imaginality's tone still feels manipulative to me

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:05 pm
by Alisae
wow why does something so fucking interesting need to happen when deadline is almost here.

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:06 pm
by Alisae
In post 233, Wisdom wrote:Imaginality's tone still feels manipulative to me
I can see why you would think that

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:06 pm
by Alisae
In post 229, imaginality wrote:It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:07 pm
by Alisae
In post 229, imaginality wrote:It's obvious I think Taly isn't obvtown (I do lean town in Taly but I don't see anyone as obvtown yet).
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:07 pm
by Wisdom
In post 229, imaginality wrote:Whereas this push on me is a point against you, it fits the 'scum wanting to get players who are suspicious of them eliminated' motif.

Not how I'd have expected town to respond to what I said. My vote is staying on you.
Like this is trying to convince others that I am not town
He does not care to actually engage with me and figure if I am town

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:10 pm
by Wisdom
All I get from his post is "let's answer to Wisdom's points and try to discredit them/look good"
Especially the part where he includes the benefit of the doubt I gave him feels like it's just there to shade me

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:13 pm
by Alisae
In post 238, Wisdom wrote:Like this is trying to convince others that I am not town
He does not care to actually engage with me and figure if I am town
coming from the guy who I quote "I do not talk to scum"

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:14 pm
by Wisdom
Yeah but that's me
Does anyone have experience with imaginality and can assure me he's like me?

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:15 pm
by Alisae
that is you that is very true

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:15 pm
by the worst
In post 209, Taly wrote:
In post 186, the worst wrote:
In post 183, Taly wrote:
In post 179, Bingle wrote:
In post 177, the worst wrote:
In post 146, Bingle wrote:
In post 144, Wisdom wrote:
In post 127, Taly wrote:The reason I point this out is because I read the bolded as though you knew I was 8ball. A potential slip. That's what I want clarified.
No, you misread. Imaginality was talking about the possibility of you being scum and 8ball, and that's what I was responding to
Just gonna cut this off at the knees: That was 100% not a scum slip. When discussing the hypothetical that you are the eightball, the presumption that you would flip 8 ball is natural.

Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I'm scum in.
now
this
is a scumslip
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But like, it reads like a potential slip to me too. Djdoxjsklsjshs
i'd be interested in you expanding, i've had growing concerns about bingle.
Just the
"every game I'm scum in"
sounds like an admission since it seemed
Bingle
presumed that the
Wisdom
post was a red herring. Why would the first part of that sentence be true but the next be false?

Like, I can't be misreading again can I?

And why hold off on those concerns ducky, you waiting for me to be your shield? :P
i'm wondering why you're making up opinions. lol.

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:16 pm
by the worst
In post 210, imaginality wrote:
In post 199, the worst wrote:i think if i rolled scum with momrangal in this plist i'd encourage us to make mom the 8ball just for the 'venge'kill to counter swing
not because i think mom is bad. i just think mom is a slow burn player, and is unlikely to get a strong footing in d1 in this player list.

idrk how meaningful this is just sayin
In post 200, Alisae wrote:Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t
In post 208, Bingle wrote:
In post 200, Alisae wrote:Well now ur more suspect because u knew that information and me/tw didn’t
Actually... unpack this for me?

The scum role PM is public, and it's me. Why would
me
knowing setup stuff be scum indicative at all? And haven't you played this setup before?
Wasn't Alisae replying to the worst, not you?
Although the point still applies, I don't see why #199 is suspicious.
i am tw !!

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:17 pm
by the worst
In post 216, Taly wrote:
In post 146, Bingle wrote:Hopefully we don't have a week long argument about whether the obviously NAI post is a scumslip every game I play.
Omfg you're right. Apologies. Fucking duck.

IT'S LATE. I'M GOING TO BED.
GOTTEM

reaction to being epically pranked was kinda towny though smh

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:19 pm
by Alisae
Wis atm I think it's either you or him

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:20 pm
by the worst
if i had one bullet and wisdom and imaginality rn i think i'd shoot wisdom

except i'd cry if it was a miselim

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:20 pm
by the worst
i've missed wisdom but like, he's scary as scum and i don't see the imaginality stuff at all

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:22 pm
by Alisae
Imaginality also said I could be scum with Wis
that's kinda weirdchamp
I don't think Wis would just bus me at the start of the game if we were partners. Hell randing scum w/ wis would probably actually be exciting?